Who Caused the Recession?

[jayboat]

I have to go with Spiro Agnew as "one of the most absurd, nutty, cynical and incompetent decisions in the modern history". And he got elected V.P. and most of America forgets he was thrown out of office before Nixon was impeached !
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In retrospect, it's easy to see what a crappy pick Agnew was, but I don't remember him melting down in real time like palin.

It's been a long time, and I admit that politics wasn't high on my priority list back then, but I don't remember Agnew doing the kind of stupid stuff that palin has done, at least not DURING the campaign. He may have been corrupt as all hell, but it seems like he knew the basics of politics. to me, palin comes across as a small-minded moron in high heels.

 

[Ratickle]

In retrospect, it's easy to see what a crappy pick Agnew was, but I don't remember him melting down in real time like palin.

It's been a long time, and I admit that politics wasn't high on my priority list back then, but I don't remember Agnew doing the kind of stupid stuff that palin has done, at least not DURING the campaign. He may have been corrupt as all hell, but it seems like he knew the basics of politics. to me, palin comes across as a small-minded moron in high heels.

I'm not picking on Palin. I do think she was a very poor choice, but it did generate news and votes because she was a woman. It also cost votes because she was a woman.

What I am interested in is the future direction of this country. Nationalizing Banking, Savings and Loan, Automotive, Automotive Loan, Stock Market Investing, Tobacco, and possibly Health Care is a for sure failure. The only question is how long......

 

[Ted]

O is simply a vessel, and slowly but surely that is coming through, both in his decisions and his poll numbers. He was "chosen" and protected, and now that won't do. Too bad, so sad. Now as for the Pubbies being screwed we have :

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And last week EVERY one of the top 10 cable news programs was on......wait for it........Fox News. So maybe people with the right mindset are finally paying attention as they see their freedoms and cash eroding with every new day. It is quite possible that the sleeping bear has been kicked in the balls and is now ready for some meat, if the Pubbies realize it and capitalize on it they will be very happy campers in 10 and 12. And the Dems have a huge complacency problem now as their peeps figure they have it all sewn up so they can get back to paying attention to Jerry Springer and the Michael Jackson saga.

 

[fund razor]

In retrospect, it's easy to see what a crappy pick Agnew was, but I don't remember him melting down in real time like palin.

It's been a long time, and I admit that politics wasn't high on my priority list back then, but I don't remember Agnew doing the kind of stupid stuff that palin has done, at least not DURING the campaign. He may have been corrupt as all hell, but it seems like he knew the basics of politics. to me, palin comes across as a small-minded moron in high heels.

Maybe you had to live in Maryland where the Agnew bribe taking started?

Of course, I don't remember 24/7 news outlets and continous live punditry in 1972. We had one half-hour national news broadcast, one local paper, one New York Times and Sunday morning Meet the Press. Occasional evening news special reports, like the coverage of the 1972 conventions on CBS 9pm special report.

It made it hard to see anyone "melt down in real time."

Although I do remember Alexander Haig's comments that "he was in charge here" on live TV March 30, 1981.

 

[Chris]

Aside from being "ethically challenged", Agnew is the prototype of the kind of VP this country needs. Especially if you've got dirtywork to do. He was one tough SOB and as the GOP hitman, he did a superb job. I wouldn't have wanted him taking an interest in me.

 

[MarylandMark]

The only option seems to be constant slamming of the administration as they try to clean up the catastrophes left behind by bushco.

The blame it on Bush excuse has been run in to the ground. This is OBAMA's economy now; bought and paid for by the US tax payer (all the while selling our shores to China but they don't even want us any more).

 

[jayboat]

Maybe you had to live in Maryland where the Agnew bribe taking started?

Of course, I don't remember 24/7 news outlets and continous live punditry in 1972. We had one half-hour national news broadcast, one local paper, one New York Times and Sunday morning Meet the Press. Occasional evening news special reports, like the coverage of the 1972 conventions on CBS 9pm special report.

It made it hard to see anyone "melt down in real time."

Although I do remember Alexander Haig's comments that "he was in charge here" on live TV March 30, 1981.

Good point- I was gonna say something about the diff in the news cycle as well, but I can't spend all day on a political thread. The larger point was that Agnew was a politician and palin is a dipsh!t.

That Haig moment was an all-time classic, thanks for the reminder.

 

[jayboat]

The blame it on Bush excuse has been run in to the ground. This is OBAMA's economy now; bought and paid for by the US tax payer (all the while selling our shores to China but they don't even want us any more).

Just because yer tired of hearin it markymark, does not make it any less true.

 

[Chris]

Haig was an OK guy. And I was reassured to know that with the president having just been shot, someone was going to take action.

 

[Geronimo36]

Just because yer tired of hearin it markymark, does not make it any less true.

Half the crap with the economy that came as a result of Bush can be atributed to Clinton and even further down the line... re: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, mergers/aquisitions, special interest groups, lobbyists etc.... No one person or administration is/was responsible... It was a "bubble" run by GREED that ruined our economy and everyone had a part from the TOP all the way DOWN!:willy_nilly:

 

[Ratickle]

Half the crap with the economy that came as a result of Bush can be atributed to Clinton and even further down the line... re: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, mergers/aquisitions, special interest groups, lobbyists etc.... No one person or administration is/was responsible... It was a "bubble" run by GREED that ruined our economy and everyone had a part from the TOP all the way DOWN!:willy_nilly:

Yep, let's not forget how this thread got started. It is no single person or party. It is dang near all of them.....

 

[MarylandMark]

Back in March:

President Barack Obama.....called for an end to finger-pointing and challenged Congress to offer constructive changes.

"With the magnitude of the challenges we face right now, what we need in Washington are not more political tactics, we need more good ideas"

"We don't need more point scoring, we need more problem solving

The American people sent us here to get things done, Let's pass a budget that puts this nation on the road to lasting prosperity."

Since then? Finger pointing.....


http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-BarackObama/idUKTRE52G3OX20090319

 

[Ratickle]

Back in March:

President Barack Obama.....called for an end to finger-pointing and challenged Congress to offer constructive changes.

Since then? Finger pointing.....

http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-BarackObama/idUKTRE52G3OX20090319

You know he only means

"Don't question my budget or I'll call it finger pointing"......


3.5 trillion :ack2:

 

[Ratickle]

The larger point was that Agnew was a politician and palin is a dipsh!t.

I don't get it Jay. What difference does it make? Were you planning on voting for McCain if he had chosen more wisely? If so, I can understand your disappointment.

I am not a Palin fan for a possible Presidential spot. Way way over her head. So what? She's a governor who seems to do okay for her state. Much, much better than Granholm has done for ours.....

And they discuss Granholm as a possible Supreme Court Candidate or Auto Czar...:ack2:

 

[Tommy Gun]

Bottom line is that our politicians suck and we're all screwed if we can't live within our means; this includes the fed's, the states and every one of us. We simply cannot survive with all these social programs and handouts; as honorable as they may be we can't afford it. Lets start with securing the borders and passing a balanced budget ammendment.

 

[BBB725]

Tommy Gun for President!!:26:

 

[BUIZILLA]

but I can't spend all day on a political thread.

really now...

In retrospect, it's easy to see what a crappy pick Agnew was, but I don't remember him melting down in real time like palin.

to me, palin comes across as a small-minded moron in high heels.

you sure have a consistent and real BLATANT disrespect for women in general... keep in mind she's a GOV of a State in the US Union, an approved and earned voter distinction, something you've never achieved..

It's just the initial fallout started by the Palin piece yesterday on VanityFair.com, and already it reads like the start of a nuclear war between some of the high-level strategists from the mclame campaign.

so now you equate nukes with Palin...

If people want to sit around in a comments section and repeat the same chit to each other so they feel good about themselves- let em. I got better things to do with my time.

remember this quote of yours, since your the documented poster boy of political posting, regurgitating, and bashing on SOS...

when you, at the very least, achieve a job that has the responsibility level that Palin does, let us all know..

I know, I know, your secretly in lust for Pelosi, so you have to perpetually pick on a person with far more character, integrity, and womanly traits... that's what women haters do.. just ask your shrink..

 

[jayboat]

I don't get it Jay. What difference does it make? Were you planning on voting for McCain if he had chosen more wisely? If so, I can understand your disappointment.

I am not a Palin fan for a possible Presidential spot. Way way over her head. So what? She's a governor who seems to do okay for her state. Much, much better than Granholm has done for ours.....

And they discuss Granholm as a possible Supreme Court Candidate or Auto Czar...:ack2:

I don't particularly care for sociopaths, Paul.

And for some reason, it felt personal- the blatant lies, all the lipstick on the pig. totally rubbed me the wrong way- it was like after 8 years of bush and cheney and rumsfeld's lies, here were these hacks doing the exact same bs and expecting everyone to swallow it. his choice was an absolute slap in the face to any sane person, regardless of party affiliation.

Do a little research and you will see that she HAS NOT 'done okay' for her state. (but Alaska politics is a different kind of animal than the other 49). Purdum's article has some interesting info on the workings of the state govt.

Granholm's kinda hot, I'd hit it. (sorry, couldn't resist)

The other thing, I will admit, is a special feeling I have for social conservative religious whackos in general. It's something I've been very consistent with most of my life.

Here's an email from a Sullivan reader that sums up a part of it (for fundy)

Part of Sarah Palin's irresistible appeal to her fundamentalist base is her ability to look at the camera with utter conviction and declare black to be white.

The ability to lie well is a valuable part of the fundamentalist psychology. My son isn't gay, he just hasn't found the right woman! Those rocks aren't 50 million years old, they just look like it as a test of our faith! My sexless marriage isn't foundering, it is filled with God's spirit! The minister isn't molesting little Maria, they're just very close! It isn't torture, it is being tough on terrorists!

Fundamentalists can recognize a truly audacious and talented liar from miles away. Instead of running the other way, as you might expect, they gather around the powerful liar, for they know that their own lies will be respected and protected by a leader who understands the paramount importance of preserving their whole system of denial.

 

[jayboat]

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[OldSchool]

Welcome back Jay!!!!!:rofl::rofl::rofl: