Who Caused the Recession?

Absolutely. He was selected years ago and positioned for the job by "someone".

http://www.2004dnc.com/barackobamaspeech/

excerpt from that same speech

"Go into the collar counties around Chicago, and people will tell you: They don't want their tax money wasted by a welfare agency or by the Pentagon.
Go into any inner-city neighborhood, and folks will tell you that government alone can't teach kids to learn."


What the hell went wrong from then till now?
 
Good read.

When they told me years ago that ANYBODY could become President of the United States, I guess they weren't $hitting me.
 
excerpt from that same speech

"Go into the collar counties around Chicago, and people will tell you: They don't want their tax money wasted by a welfare agency or by the Pentagon.
Go into any inner-city neighborhood, and folks will tell you that government alone can't teach kids to learn."


What the hell went wrong from then till now?


He got the job. The people that gave it to him had "the talk" with him.
 
Aren't you guys reaching a bit with this?

The guy is obviously brilliant, a once-in-a-lifetime orator and a verrrry shrewd politician-- so why wouldn't those in the power circles be interested in a guy like that?

You all act like it's some dark conspiracy, ooooooh. But, isn't that basically how politics works?

Not one of you can admit what's as plain as the nose on your face- the man is a great politician, and hopefully, history will prove him to be a great leader as well.
 
The Reeepub Meltdown Continues

Well, this is the funniest chit to hit the wire in a long time. :boxing_smiley:

If you really, really want a good read, click here.

It's just the initial fallout started by the Palin piece yesterday on VanityFair.com, and already it reads like the start of a nuclear war between some of the high-level strategists from the mclame campaign.

Oh, those crazy republicans. :biggrinjester:

As always, I like Sullivan's take on it:

What I make of it is that the selection of Sarah Palin was one of the most absurd, nutty, cynical and incompetent decisions in the modern history of American campaigning. And the Republican party, far from trying to understand how they made such a reckless decision, remains in total denial. Kristol and Barnes chief among them. The in-fighting is a function of both the chaotic management style of John McCain, the psycotic nature of Palin and the toujours l'audace mentality of the Kristol brigade. They all deserved each other - and the party and political tradition they have collectively destroyed.
 
Had this sent to me yesterday

My heart doesn't believe this and I don't think we'll let it happen but "some" (not all) of the things I am seeing make me wonder. :lurk5:

"Charles Krauthammer Speech/Comments on the 'New Economy' & Barack Obama

To my friends & associates:

Last Monday was a profound evening, hearing Dr. Charles Krauthammer speak to the Center for the American Experiment. He is a brilliant intellectual, seasoned & articulate. He is forthright & careful in his analysis, & never resorts to emotions or personal insults. He is NOT a fearmonger nor an extremist in his comments & views. He is a fiscal conservative, & has a Pulitzer prize for writing. He is a frequent contributor to Fox News & writes weekly for the Washington Post. The entire room was held spellbound during his talk. I have shared this w/ many of you & several have asked me to summarize his comments, as we are living in uncharted waters economically & internationally. Even 2 Dims at my table agreed w/ everything he said! If you feel like forwarding this to those who are open minded & have not 'drunk the Kool-Aid', feel free.

Here is his resume from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Krauthammer

A summary of his comments:

1. Mr. Obama is a very intellectual, charming individual. He is not to be underestimated. He is a 'cool customer' who doesn't show his emotions. It's very hard to know what's 'behind the mask'. Taking down the Clinton dynasty from a political neophyte was an amazing accomplishment. The Clintons still do not understand what hit them. Obama was in the perfect place at the perfect time.

2. Obama has political skills comparable to Reagan & Clinton. He has a way of making you think he's on your side, agreeing w/ your position, while doing the opposite. Pay no attn. to what he SAYS; rather, watch what he DOES!

3. Obama has a ruthless quest for power. He did not come to Washington to make something out of himself, but rather to change everything, incl. dismantling capitalism. He can't be straightforward on his ambitions, as the public would not go along. He has a heavy hand, & wants to 'level the playing field' w/ income redistribution & punishment of the achievers of society. He would like to model the USA to Great Britain or Canada.

4. His 3 main goals are to control ENERGY, PUBLIC EDUCATION, & NAT'L HEALTHCARE by the Fed. govt. He doesn't care about the auto or financial services industries, but got them as an early bonus. The cap & trade will add costs to everything & stifle growth. Paying for FREE college education is his goal. Most scary is healthcare program, because if you make it FREE & add 46,000,000 people to a Medicare-type single-payer system, the costs will go thru the roof. The only way to control costs is w/ massive RATIONING of services, like in Canada. God forbid.

5. He's surrounded himself w/ mostly far-left academic types. No 1 around him has ever run even a candy store. But they're going to try & run the auto, financial, banking & other industries. This obviously can't work in the long run. Obama's not a socialist; rather a far-left secular progressive bent on nothing short of revolution. He ran as a moderate, but will govern from the hard left. Again, watch what he does, not what he says.

6. Obama doesn't really see himself as President of the USA, more as a ruler over the world. He sees himself above it all, trying to orchestrate & coordinate various countries & their agendas. He sees moral equivilency in all cultures. His apology tour in Germany & England was a prime example of how he sees America, as an imperialist nation that has been arrogant, rather than a great noble nation that has at times made errors.. This is the 1st President ever who has chastised our allies & appeased our enemies!

7. He's now handing out goodies. He hopes that the bill (& pain) will not 'come due' until after he's reelected in 2012. He'd like to blame all problems on Bush from the past, & hopefully his successor in the future. He has a huge ego, & Mr. Krauthammer believes he is a narcicist.

8. Republicans are in the wilderness for a while, but will emerge strong. We're 'pining' for another Reagan, but there'll never be another like him. He believes Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty & Bobby Jindahl (except for his terrible speech in Feb.) are the future of the party. Newt Gingrich is brilliant, but has baggage.. Sarah Palin is sincere & intelligent, but needs to really be seriously boning up on facts & info if she's to be a serious candidate in the future. We need to return to the party of lower taxes, smaller govt., personal responsibility, strong nat'l defense, & states' rights.

9. The current level of spending is irresponsible & outrageous. We're spending trillions that we don't have. This could lead to hyper inflation, depression or worse. No country has ever spent themselves into prosperity. The media is giving Obama, Reid & Pelosi a pass because they love their agenda. But eventually the bill will come due & people will realize the huge bailouts didn't work, nor will the stimulus pkg. These were trillion-dollar payoffs to Obama's allies, unions & the Congress to placate the left, so he can get support for #4 above.

10. The election was over in mid-Sept. when Lehman brothers failed. Fear & panic swept in, we had an unpopular President, & the war was grinding on indefinitely w/o a clear outcome. The people are in pain, & the mantra of 'change' caused people to act emotionally. Any Dim would have won this election; it was surprising is was as close as it was.

11. In 2012, if the unemployment rate is over 10%, Republicans will be swept back into power. If it's under 8%, the Dims continue to roll. If it's between 8-10%, it'll be a dogfight. It'll all be about the economy.

I hope this gets you really thinking about what's happening in Washington & Congress. There's a left-wing revolution going on, according to Krauthammer, & he encourages us to keep the faith & join the loyal resistance. The work will be hard, but we're right on most issues & can reclaim our country, before it's far too late."
 
Our interpretations of greatness must differ. I see nothing more than a slimy, double-talker. He's smooth, I'll give him that, but brilliant?...not even close. I frankly think he's a lousy politician with a barely more than a brief record of absenteeism to his credit. Since taking office, he's shown me nothing more than one bumbling mistake after another. When I think of great orators, I think of men like Churchill and Reagan.

I'm not alone either. Yesterday's Rasmussen poll showed his overall approval rating at -2.
(Yes, negative 2).
 
Aren't you guys reaching a bit with this?.

No reaching Jay, he was chosen as a political face to get the Presidency for the Dems. Not that it is bad for the Dems, just too bad the political process works that way.

The guy is obviously brilliant, a once-in-a-lifetime orator and a verrrry shrewd politician-- so why wouldn't those in the power circles be interested in a guy like that?.

That's not necessary a good thing for the country. Shrewd politicians is what has caused the country to get in the mess it is. We need no more of them, period.....

You all act like it's some dark conspiracy, ooooooh. But, isn't that basically how politics works?.

Yes it is, once again not necessarily good for the country. In fact, the exact opposite. The way politics works, is what is destroying all of our opportunities to succeed by working hard.

Not one of you can admit what's as plain as the nose on your face- the man is a great politician,.

But don't we need a great person to fix our issues instead? Great politicians are pretty much worthless to the real issues in this country. Obviously the Bush family are great politicians. Does that make the Bush family good for the well-being of the USA?

and hopefully, history will prove him to be a great leader as well.

We'll see, so far not impressed....
 
Our interpretations of greatness must differ. I see nothing more than a slimy, double-talker. He's smooth, I'll give him that, but brilliant?...not even close. I frankly think he's a lousy politician with a barely more than a brief record of absenteeism to his credit. Since taking office, he's shown me nothing more than one bumbling mistake after another. When I think of great orators, I think of men like Churchill and Reagan.

I'm not alone either. Yesterday's Rasmussen poll showed his overall approval rating at -2.
(Yes, negative 2).

From the poll....

Wednesday, July 01, 2009

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 32% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-three percent (33%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -1
 
Classless? :sifone:

I still think if you lie to get elected, you should be replaced.....

Breach of contract....

A guy up here by the name of Preston Manning of the Reform Party (who have since merged with the Conservatives) tried to do exactly that some 15 yrs ago.....he proposed to have a mechanism in place whereby if you broke a documented election promise your govt got the boot......the public loved it and Manning and his Reform Party nearly got elected in the early 90s......Unfortunately the the governing Li(lie)brals defeated the bill in Parliament
 
A guy up here by the name of Preston Manning of the Reform Party (who have since merged with the Conservatives) tried to do exactly that some 15 yrs ago.....he proposed to have a mechanism in place whereby if you broke a documented election promise your govt got the boot......the public loved it and Manning and his Reform Party nearly got elected in the early 90s......Unfortunately the the governing Li(lie)brals defeated the bill in Parliament

Try again, if it passes, I'm moving north........:)
 
Our interpretations of greatness must differ. I see nothing more than a slimy, double-talker. He's smooth, I'll give him that, but brilliant?...not even close. I frankly think he's a lousy politician with a barely more than a brief record of absenteeism to his credit. Since taking office, he's shown me nothing more than one bumbling mistake after another. When I think of great orators, I think of men like Churchill and Reagan.

I'm not alone either. Yesterday's Rasmussen poll showed his overall approval rating at -2.
(Yes, negative 2).

In your world, I guess. And I'm sure we will continue to agree to disagree. :sifone:

I never cease to be amazed at how you guys will grab at any little thing to 'prove' how right you are. Even when you aren't.

The fact is, the repub party is so far off the tracks right now that the tracks aren't even in sight. The only option seems to be constant slamming of the administration as they try to clean up the catastrophes left behind by bushco.
 
As always, I like Sullivan's take on it:

What I make of it is that the selection of Sarah Palin was one of the most absurd, nutty, cynical and incompetent decisions in the modern history of American campaigning. And the Republican party, far from trying to understand how they made such a reckless decision, remains in total denial. Kristol and Barnes chief among them. The in-fighting is a function of both the chaotic management style of John McCain, the psycotic nature of Palin and the toujours l'audace mentality of the Kristol brigade. They all deserved each other - and the party and political tradition they have collectively destroyed.

We should offer Sullivan a membership. He posts quite a bit. He was a big poster on that other forum, too. :)
 
(1)In your world, I guess. And I'm sure we will continue to agree to disagree. :sifone:


(2)I never cease to be amazed at how you guys will grab at any little thing to 'prove' how right you are. Even when you aren't.

(3)The fact is, the repub party is so far off the tracks right now that the tracks aren't even in sight. The only option seems to be constant slamming of the administration as they try to clean up the catastrophes left behind by bushco.

(1)Yes it is, and yes we will. :)

(2)It is what it is; right, wrong or indifferent. I'm just callin' it like I see it. The guy's doing nothing for me, I stand only to lose via his policies and ideals.

(3)I wouldn't disagree with you on that. The (R)'s have lost control of the house, senate, and the big seat - so ya, they're scrambling. I'd love nothing more than to flush the toilet on both sides.
 
Well, this is the funniest chit to hit the wire in a long time. :boxing_smiley:

If you really, really want a good read, click here.

It's just the initial fallout started by the Palin piece yesterday on VanityFair.com, and already it reads like the start of a nuclear war between some of the high-level strategists from the mclame campaign.

Oh, those crazy republicans. :biggrinjester:

As always, I like Sullivan's take on it:

What I make of it is that the selection of Sarah Palin was one of the most absurd, nutty, cynical and incompetent decisions in the modern history of American campaigning. And the Republican party, far from trying to understand how they made such a reckless decision, remains in total denial. Kristol and Barnes chief among them. The in-fighting is a function of both the chaotic management style of John McCain, the psycotic nature of Palin and the toujours l'audace mentality of the Kristol brigade. They all deserved each other - and the party and political tradition they have collectively destroyed.

I have to go with Spiro Agnew as "one of the most absurd, nutty, cynical and incompetent decisions in the modern history". And he got elected V.P. and most of America forgets he was thrown out of office before Nixon was impeached !
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Aren't you guys reaching a bit with this?

The guy is obviously brilliant, a once-in-a-lifetime orator and a verrrry shrewd politician-- so why wouldn't those in the power circles be interested in a guy like that?

You all act like it's some dark conspiracy, ooooooh. But, isn't that basically how politics works?

Not one of you can admit what's as plain as the nose on your face- the man is a great politician, and hopefully, history will prove him to be a great leader as well.
I dont disagree with the politician part. I'm not as convinced as you on the leader part...only time will tell. for Americas sake, I hope you are righy.
 
The fact is, the repub party is so far off the tracks right now that the tracks aren't even in sight. The only option seems to be constant slamming of the administration as they try to clean up the catastrophes left behind by bushco.

Wait a minute....when the shoe was on the other foot that's the same thing you all were doing (slamming the administration) despite being far off... As a matter of fact, that's how Obama got elected.....:leaving:

See below from my post above...
8. Republicans are in the wilderness for a while, but will emerge strong. We're 'pining' for another Reagan, but there'll never be another like him. He believes Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty & Bobby Jindahl (except for his terrible speech in Feb.) are the future of the party. Newt Gingrich is brilliant, but has baggage.. Sarah Palin is sincere & intelligent, but needs to really be seriously boning up on facts & info if she's to be a serious candidate in the future. We need to return to the party of lower taxes, smaller govt., personal responsibility, strong nat'l defense, & states' rights.
 
I have to go with Spiro Agnew as "one of the most absurd, nutty, cynical and incompetent decisions in the modern history". And he got elected V.P. and most of America forgets he was thrown out of office before Nixon was impeached !
ed

Nixon was not impeached. He resigned...


The only modern day President to be impeached was Clinton....
 
The fact is, the repub party is so far off the tracks right now that the tracks aren't even in sight.



I will not disagree in the slightest.....

I have not wavered one little bit on we need to start completely over....
 
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