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Who Caused the Recession?
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Ratickle
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jayboat
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That's why I keep telling you about kos and talkingpointsmemo.
I know they're left-leaning, but they are all over this kind of chit.
and speaking of media... here's a good article (Kos alert) about the sea change that is happening before our eyes. encouraging.
Expensive Date
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by430chzT98
Actually we have to blame Wilson this is a little long but interesting.Found it on a financial message board a few weeks ago.
As for GS they are in control right now itsa rare day when the dow and any financial index fund is up when they are down
Actually we have to blame Wilson this is a little long but interesting.Found it on a financial message board a few weeks ago.
As for GS they are in control right now itsa rare day when the dow and any financial index fund is up when they are down
cuda
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Like I always say, it's easier to fix the blame than fix the problem.
phragle
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I think you will have much better success if you can figure out their system and how to expolit it for profit than waiting for them to fix it. if you can decipher their manipulation of the market and use it as a guide.... I'm not that smart..I just gave my money to fidelity and look at it once or twice a year..actually it's much less depressing to just foget it's there..
phragle
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Jay...I heard this guy on the radio....he's all about you http://www.peterwerbe.com/
Kos, Rush and the whole bunch of them are nothing but entertainers. They attract audiences by getting them all riled up. It's almost impossible to get good, detailed, unbiased news coverage anymore. News for the most part is a thing of the past. Our obsession with fame and celebrity has provided us with a glut of coverage of "famous people" and driven actual coverage of important events so far away that you can't find it. I hate to say it and it will come across more harsh than I intend, but the average American deserves what they get. Our attention span has contracted down to nothing and our need to be continuously and constantly entertained by a steady stream of mindless $hit borders on vulgar.
Ratickle
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You believe that it is truly the "average" American, or it is a case that follows the percentage of people who are available to endlessly watch the drivel?
phragle
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the underlying reason the Chris' dilema is simple. News is a for profit industry. The incentive is money. Money is generorated by commercials, the more viewers/higher ratings, the more valuable the commercial time. The more entertaining, sensationalizing and the hotter the news chick is, the more viewrers and the more dollars. Lara Logan isn't reporting from Iraq because she gets the story, she's reporting from Iraq because you want to bend her over the hood of a humvee.
It's worse. It should come as no surprise: The average American is a mindless buffoon who is nearly entirely disengaged from world events, worldly culture, current affairs and local/national politics. They are complacent, non-caring and oblivious to all but the next 15 minutes in their lives with nary a notion of what happened in the world yesterday, but can recite every American idol from the past 3 years and OMG Michael Jackson. That is sadly what generations of 'I have rights,' 'I deserve,' 'I want,' and 'I'm offended,' have created. Mix in some ingredients like 'No dummy left behind,' equal opportunity, and mo' free sht, and we have breed a society of idiots that blindly allow themselves to be swindled a dozen ways to their graves. The limits of average comprehension amount to little more than 'sht sucks right now,' 'sumtin's gotta change,' and OMG.
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phragle
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if you think semi long term, it's like the syndrome where an abductee begins to accept, identify with and embrace their kidnapper.. rage at abduction (the 60's) then to apathy/disinfranchised..were just screwed.... then false hope (if I go along he will take care of me) then messiahhood... his only mission is to take care of me..
slow brainwashing..
confine, breakdown, instill false beliefs, reenforce false beliefs, foster alleigance
slow brainwashing..
confine, breakdown, instill false beliefs, reenforce false beliefs, foster alleigance
jayboat
Banned
I agree with your comments on coverage and attention span- I believe that if the 'average' voter was as informed as half the people on this forum, our world would be a different place. Infotainment as news has been a pet peeve of mine for twenty years. Seems as if people can't be bothered to think any more, and I blame the MSM for a lot of the problem. I realize the difficulty in covering a day's events around the world in 30 minutes, but the tripe that comes down the newspipe has conditioned people to think superficially. I am hopeful that as the internet evolves, this issue will resolve itself.
But...
when you group Kos and Rush in the same basket that tells me you really don't know much about the site. And I think there are plenty of bloggers who are genuinely interested in pursuing and presenting real stories. I suppose any political site can feel like an echo chamber, especially if it tends towards an opposing ideology than your own. For that reason, I generally don't spend time reading comments on any of them and just scan the headlines for things that interest me. I'm not such a political junkie that I need to know what's on the House schedule for the week, but I guess there are those who need that sort of info in their news mix, just as there are those who need to hear what rushbo thinks about the news du'jour.
I totally agree with Jay on grouping Kos and Rush in the same basket. Rush sees himself as a commentator and an entertainer. Kos sees himself as some all knowing and powerful being that can say anything to rile up his group of kool-aid drinkers into a frenzy. Problem is, he is also being drawn in by the mainstream so he will begin to moderate that or fail.
Ratickle
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Okay, what right leaning blogger or news host would you compare to kos or talkingpoints memo???
For the record, I vote conservative to moderate. Have never voted a single party ticket, and believe moderate/middle class Americans are being screwed by both sides.
Pretty much.
I, like most of you, live in a pretty isolated place. I deal mostly with professionals and associate with a small circle of friends. But Nick hits the nail pretty squarely on the head- we live in a country packed to the gills with self-absorbed mouth breathers. And it's getting worse.
I almost see myself looking at the world from the GS perspective- if they don't care enough to do something or care for themselves, why shouldn't they be fleeced? But so far I've been able to take care of myself and avoid being swept under by the flood. But unchecked I expect there will come a time when that flood sweeps over all of us.
jayboat
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RealClearPolitics and The American Scene are the only ones regularly on my radar, and since Reihan Salam isn't posting much on Scene any more, I don't hit it regularly. I think he and Daniel Larison are two of the best conservative thinkers out there.
I'll be the first to admit that I don't spend much time at all on the site. And I've never been to Rush's, O'Reilly's, Hannity's or any other site. But the overall theme is inciting extremism- on all of them. I like raw news and sometimes (rarely) I appreciate the measured and insightful opinion of a commentator. Rarely.
I see no real value in someone getting people all worked up. Mostly because all that ever happens is they sit around and parrot someone else's thoughts to a group of people that all think the same thing. Rarely if ever does anything positive happen. I'm not going to really change any of my viewpoints all that much regardless of what someone from a different political perspective tells me. And I'm a reasonably informed and open minded person. People should stop calling talk radio programs and begin writing to their elected representatives.
