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The first time I ever heard of Rush was in an article in Reader's Digest. He even said he was about entertainment.

I try to stay informed, but I have no idea of who Kos is, and why I should care.
 
jayboat said:
RealClearPolitics and The American Scene are the only ones regularly on my radar, and since Reihan Salam isn't posting much on Scene any more, I don't hit it regularly. I think he and Daniel Larison are two of the best conservative thinkers out there.
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check in with Charles krauthammer, he is a local Maryland guy that has some pretty poignant facts and reasoning.
 
Maybe we should start a thread with the best news/events reportings and why. I would have never guessed both liberals and conservatives would be quoting and refering to Rolling Stones mag.
 
Chris said:
I'll be the first to admit that I don't spend much time at all on the site. And I've never been to Rush's, O'Reilly's, Hannity's or any other site. But the overall theme is inciting extremism- on all of them. I like raw news and sometimes (rarely) I appreciate the measured and insightful opinion of a commentator. Rarely.


I see no real value in someone getting people all worked up. Mostly because all that ever happens is they sit around and parrot someone else's thoughts to a group of people that all think the same thing. Rarely if ever does anything positive happen. I'm not going to really change any of my viewpoints all that much regardless of what someone from a different political perspective tells me. And I'm a reasonably informed and open minded person. People should stop calling talk radio programs and begin writing to their elected representatives.
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Totally agree, Chris. If people want to sit around in a comments section and repeat the same chit to each other so they feel good about themselves- let em. I got better things to do with my time. No single news article, or website, or magazine, or commentator will ever change anyone's ideology. The best one can hope for is that something will click and maybe open their mind to a different point of view, and maybe, just maybe... over the course of time help people re-shape their thinking based on real facts.

That's all I'm interested in... the goddamn facts.
Give me the truth without any spin. and let me decide for myself.

To me, that is the real, true promise of the internet. If you take the time to seek out the truth-tellers such as Froomkin, Hersh, Greenwald and the few others who really, really get it, then you give yourself a chance to make up your mind based on reality, not some news director's idea of reality. Same holds true for the big media outlets of other countries- if you read the BBC, India Times, etc you get a totally different viewpoint on the news.

Helps one to keep a more rounded perspective on things, I think.

(I'll keep my opinons about Krauthammer to myself. :) )
 
Ratickle said:
Maybe we should start a thread with the best news/events reportings and why. I would have never guessed both liberals and conservatives would be quoting and refering to Rolling Stones mag.
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They did a great expose last year on John McCain. As usual, I got blasted for posting it, but the article was obviously well-researched and had a real ring of truth to it- really showed what a classless jerk he is. McCain's camp never really denied any of it.

Of course, I was never a big fan of his anyway.
 
jayboat said:
They did a great expose last year on John McCain. As usual, I got blasted for posting it, but the article was obviously well-researched and had a real ring of truth to it- really showed what a classless jerk he is. McCain's camp never really denied any of it.

Of course, I was never a big fan of his anyway.
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Classless? :sifone:

I still think we have not had an election where a choice had to be made between the lesser of two evils in a long, long time.

But, it's not the candidates at the root cause, it's the two parties who have corrupted the process.

I still think if you lie to get elected, you should be replaced.....

Breach of contract....
 
Ratickle said:
But, it's not the candidates at the root cause, it's the two parties who have corrupted the process.

I still think if you lie to get elected, you should be replaced.....

Breach of contract....
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They all lie... what's the answer to that?

Term limits would be a good start.
 
jayboat said:
They did a great expose last year on John McCain. As usual, I got blasted for posting it, but the article was obviously well-researched and had a real ring of truth to it- really showed what a classless jerk he is. McCain's camp never really denied any of it.

Of course, I was never a big fan of his anyway.
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Shame they neglected to do the same thing on Mr Obama.
 
Ratickle said:
Okay, what right leaning blogger or news host would you compare to kos or talkingpoints memo???

For the record, I vote conservative to moderate. Have never voted a single party ticket, and believe moderate/middle class Americans are being screwed by both sides.
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www.freerepublic.com is just about the same as Kos, just the other way.
 
jayboat said:
They all lie... what's the answer to that?

Term limits would be a good start.
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They all have term limits already. It's called don't vote them back in.

Term limits are embarrasing. It's the population getting together and admitting as a group that they're way to stupid and way too lazy to be trusted with the responsibility of correcting the mistakes they made the last time they blindly pulled the lever for someone they knew nothing about, nor put any effort into finding out about.
 
Did Obama really lie? Or was it blind naivete that got him where he's at? Did his idealism blind him to the realities of the real world? Did he not understand that the game is rigged against a president and they really don't have all the domestic power that people assume?
 
Chris said:
Did Obama really lie? Or was it blind naivete that got him where he's at? Did his idealism blind him to the realities of the real world? Did he not understand that the game is rigged against a president and they really don't have all the domestic power that people assume?
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I would think something similar to "ignorance of the law is not an excuse" could apply.
 
Chris said:
Did Obama really lie? Or was it blind naivete that got him where he's at? Did his idealism blind him to the realities of the real world? Did he not understand that the game is rigged against a president and they really don't have all the domestic power that people assume?
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If I am Bush 1 and say NO NEW TAXES, then don't even attempt to pass it, I should be gone.

If I am Obama, and say NO TAX INCREASES on anyone making less than $250,000 per year, and increase taxes in the first 3 months on those people, I should be gone.

To me, those are lies, not ignorance.
 
Either way, it sort of casts a pallor over his young presidency. If he was that naive, why would we believe he's not similarly naive about all the rest of his beliefs. On the other hand, if he knew full well he couldn't possibly do any of the things he was promising, why would we trust what he's telling us now. Isn't this the classical "Catch-22"?
 
Ratickle said:
Classless? :sifone:
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Hope I didn't stump ya there, bubba. :)

Not trying to turn this into a mccain thread, but Todd Purdum's profile piece on Sarah Palin came out today (Vanity Fair). I haven't read the whole thing yet, but there is plenty in there about little john mccain. It probly could be a separate thread, but I just don't have the energy for it.
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So far, I particularly like Josh Marshall's comment on a piece of it regarding some of mccain's staff:

It's a high bar to find shocking new revelations about Palin's character and political identity. But this piece may bring home how truly shocking a decision it was for McCain to pick Palin. Not a bad decision or an ill-considered one, but one that in single stroke showed McCain had no business being president. An angry, resentful, small-time crooked pol. And she really could have been president because of McCain's recklessness. Read Purdum's piece. But I have little doubt and some direct knowledge that we'll be hearing new shocking details of who this woman is for months, perhaps years, to come.

Like I said, no class. nada.
 
Chris said:
Did Obama really lie? Or was it blind naivete that got him where he's at? Did his idealism blind him to the realities of the real world? Did he not understand that the game is rigged against a president and they really don't have all the domestic power that people assume?
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i still have this gut feeling that Obama has some deep reaching ties back to Soros and some others. his rise to the white house is just too star like,and he seems to act like a puppet.

My theory is this, a few years ago, The Dems needed someone that was unbeatable, and with the way political correctness is, a black man or woman in their eyes would be unbeatable. I don't dislike Obama as a person, however I feel his policies and social views are bad for America. With his numbers slipping daily, i really don't see him here for a second term and America is already turning their back on congress, 2010 will hopefully even the control in the house and senate.
 
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