Small Business in America......

I read that first post with thought and calculated real fast...with only 534000$in overhead and 187 workers that´s even on the brink of bankcruptcy alltogether right there.

I mean we calculate generally that every worker makes around 200K$ a year minimum for the company, all the businesses I´ve been involved or worked for have done it over here like that, take off all the expenses and from 187 workers there sure is more overhead as thats less than 2%.
Overhere the the healthy level for a business is around 10-15% before owners start to think of shutting down alltogether.
So guess the Taxes are really big overthere as we speak in general.
And I thought I´m taxed to death.

A corporation pays 5% more in taxes (on profit) than the highest level an individual could be taxed at. USA corporation pay the second highest corporate tax on Earth.....and yet they are the ones Obama is looking at to pay for all these programs for people that DON'T work (or don't want to).

As the 3rd generation owner of a small business people just don't understand what Obama's small business policies are doing to small businesses, I have 130 employees and some of them don't either. My father made good money for many years and pays taxes at roughly double the rate of most of our employees, I'm just getting to a point I should expect a decent salary but the money isn't there. Hell, we have several employees making more than I do. My father is still active in day to day operations but drew his last paycheck Aug of 2008 trying to make sure the company survives!! Obama's "taxing the rich" targets people like him. How many people making $30K a year give someone a job......how many people making $200K a year, own companies and give lots of people jobs (he was one of them). As our taxes are increased the only solution is to reduce expenses. I can't just sell some of our mulit-million dollar equipment in this economy, the owners have already eliminated their paychecks, so the number of employees is the only thing left to reduce expenses to cover the addl taxes.......and although some of my people deserve raises......no telling when that will ever happen.

I assume you work for someone that you perceive makes alot of money and doesn't do anything for others....look at what that person has on the line and try to really see things from that perspective. I can tell you my employees are welcome at mine or my fathers house anytime. A number of them have been on mine or my fathers boats at various times and a few have spent the weekend with him at his river house. These people are the best asset we have so letting someone go sucks....just something that must be done for survival of the group.

BTW: My companies total sales have been in the $17,000,000 range the last couple years, they have dropped to roughly $13,000,000 the last couple and even in good years we never made 10% (and we're twice the industry average!!!). The last 2 have been significant losses. Bush had his issues, but Obama's small business policies are going to turn this country upside down.
 
At least the original poster was responding to a post. That was an exchange between them. While I do not agree with Jupiter Sunsation, at least it was his conversation.
But you were not part of the exchange.

From my perspective, you are a tiny spec of a man who just took the opportunity to pile on Cuda because a bigger fish hit him first. I have seen this shadowing of the strong by the weak on these forums before. Cuda has posted some pretty positive things lately. I like the guy, the rough edge and the no-compromise patriotism included.

For the record, I enjoy conversing with Cuda. Your last line sums him up well. :sifone:
 
Unfortunately there is an abundance of bad news out there. This economy and the direction of the current adminstration effects all of us in some way or another. Some feel that we shoudn't discuss these topics, bury our heads in the sand and be happy. The reality is that many previously succesfull small businesses are getting hammered right now and all these new "programs" only serve to increase the burden. Grass root causes have many positive effects and right now those efforts are desperately needed to get this country pointed in the right direction. Some may think that the direction we are heading is right, but as I sit here for the second year in a row, 5 days before Christmas working on the list of those who are going to lose their jobs next week, I can't help but think that we need more support and continued debate concerning our elected officials and the decisions they are making. This original post simply summarized the effect of one of those decisions, so I say don't shoot the messenger, debate the message.

That sucks that you are going to be the bad guy for a few employees next week........Keep in mind I cut/pasted this message from another board. I enjoyed reading it for sure, as did others.
 
I know. Maybe it's the Christmas season that brings out the advocate in me. I read some stuff from Cuda that made me happy for him today, and then a know it all Napolean in a 4 and a half foot Finnish Chuck Norris package comes along and piles on. Just annnoyed me. Sorry. :)
I guess the Christmas season only applies if you believe in Christ. Mik has done so many things, I'm sure he was one of the wise men at the manger.
 
Unfortunately there is an abundance of bad news out there. This economy and the direction of the current adminstration effects all of us in some way or another. Some feel that we shoudn't discuss these topics, bury our heads in the sand and be happy. The reality is that many previously succesfull small businesses are getting hammered right now and all these new "programs" only serve to increase the burden. Grass root causes have many positive effects and right now those efforts are desperately needed to get this country pointed in the right direction. Some may think that the direction we are heading is right, but as I sit here for the second year in a row, 5 days before Christmas working on the list of those who are going to lose their jobs next week, I can't help but think that we need more support and continued debate concerning our elected officials and the decisions they are making. This original post simply summarized the effect of one of those decisions, so I say don't shoot the messenger, debate the message.

I don't think posting every doom and gloom thing you can find on the internet does anyone any good. Who do you know who's mind has been changed by what they read on the net?
 
I Like Cuda too..he´s so predictable, but your not even funny anymore ´cause you´re a seethru.

And I had my share with you... yawn.

Get my perspective ;) ?

Xmas to U2.

I can't stand when people take Christ out of Christmas.
 
I Like Cuda too..he´s so predictable, but your not even funny anymore ´cause you´re a seethru.

And I had my share with you... yawn.

Get my perspective ;) ?

Xmas to U2.
Your a whole lot better to try to rattle my cage instead of Funds. He's much bigger than I am, and he strikes me as having the courage of his convictions, unlike yourself. You align yourself with whoever is winning. I can't stand a front runner like you, espcially some Euro trash trashing my country.

Like Merle Haggard says, When you're running down my country hoss, you're walking on the fighting side of me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHAF...A594D2DF&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=80
 
Unfortunately there is an abundance of bad news out there. This economy and the direction of the current adminstration effects all of us in some way or another. Some feel that we shoudn't discuss these topics, bury our heads in the sand and be happy. The reality is that many previously succesfull small businesses are getting hammered right now and all these new "programs" only serve to increase the burden. Grass root causes have many positive effects and right now those efforts are desperately needed to get this country pointed in the right direction. Some may think that the direction we are heading is right, but as I sit here for the second year in a row, 5 days before Christmas working on the list of those who are going to lose their jobs next week, I can't help but think that we need more support and continued debate concerning our elected officials and the decisions they are making. This original post simply summarized the effect of one of those decisions, so I say don't shoot the messenger, debate the message.

I am self employed in a very small business. Things were holding until about May and the last two months have been real poor.

I haven't cut myself a paycheck since last May. It is getting to the point I am asking myself how much longer do I want to carry employees waiting for things to turn around.

Personally, I hold the media and their 24/7 doom and gloom responsible for much of our current troubles. :(

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I am self employed in a very small business. Things were holding until about May and the last two months have been real poor.

I haven't cut myself a paycheck since last May. It is getting to the point I am asking myself how much longer do I want to carry employees waiting for things to turn around.

Personally, I hold the media and their 24/7 doom and gloom responsible for much of our current troubles. :(

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I do too. After 26 straight years of making a profit, I lost 60k in 2007, about the same in 2008, and I haven't bothered to figure out how much this year. I ran out of things I could sell.
 
Your a whole lot better to try to rattle my cage instead of Funds. He's much bigger than I am, and he strikes me as having the courage of his convictions, unlike yourself. You align yourself with whoever is winning. I can't stand a front runner like you, espcially some Euro trash trashing my country.

Like Merle Haggard says, When you're running down my country hoss, you're walking on the fighting side of me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHAF...A594D2DF&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=80


Well I carry on the legacy my Grandfathers believed in..the only great evil in the world worth to fight and NOT align with is Communists and Russians.

So there about MY convictions, but if you´re narrow enough to think like you just posted let me explain.

And a History repetition Once Again (DUH!!!)...as repetition is the key..how much needed tells alot... and here it seems it´s needed many a' times.

USA offered help 1939 but didn´t deliver for Finland ( All Yada Yada by the Senate...Franklin was all for it), instead aligned and provided free guns (which we just took from them) and didn´t participate on the war theather with the Soviet at the time.
If you guys have had the balls you so much speak of you would stormed in and kicked the Commies to the ground but you didn´t so we just tugged and managed on our own and our defence held somewhat satisfactory, was a better succes than most of the wars of U.S. in recent history...
..

Regarding supplies and help 1939.
We got to Buy in the end the worst airplanes you had available which we modified to be the pearls of the sky. Too late to enter Winter war though and help were it would´ve helped the most. Despite all that they got a 32:1 kill ratio later (our AF total is 33:1 at the timespan).

After that the only country even Selling us guns was Germany so we had to take that option halfreluctantly like the history shows and not how you try to post it.

Britain and France offered also their help while Soviet attacked but couldn´t decide. Because of U.S influence and hesitation or LACK OF Conviction you take your pick, so that doesn´t show Any conviction or dedication in my book regarding those 3 Allied countries but waging which one will Win in the end and lick their butt.
Funny is You blame me or our country for that and only conviction we ever had was to stand for our beliefs and political stand, right or far right at the time, protect and DEFENSE our Homeland which we take Very Seriously, more than you could Imagine.
Fact is the Red Army yes in the end with free guns and ammo was the major winner in WW2, succeeding in occupation almost everything they wished since early 1930´s.
Should´ve U.S.A or any other country But Germany and Finland done their homework that FIASCO wouldn´t happened.

Also be noted that Hitler or any of the NAZI staff was never invited to any meetings or whatsoever to Finland, Wehrmachts Generals was and there´s a distinct difference.
The only time Hitler visited Finland was on Field Marschal Baron Mannerheims birthday where he crashed uninvited and for that after the Dinner as a greeting Mannerheim lighted a Cigar and served meat and Schnapps during the dinner like any gourmesan despite Hitler being a vegetarian, absolutist in Alcohol and Tobacco and didn´t tolerate anyone to smoke in front of him. Mannerheim just didn´t care and brushed him off that way.. with nobless.

As we speak it´s 70 yrs from the Winter War and the times here are rerun on the TV and papers constantly and the times are on peoples minds on everyday basis .
Also every 12.6 we show on the TV for example the movies Unkonwn Soldier and Winterwar.
And To Have the Book Unknown Soldier is just as popular as the Bible in the bookshelf.

If you can´t handle this and the facts above..yes in your eyes yes I´m your worst enemy and I´m fine with that, not my bloodpressure.

And Fund Merry Xmas to you too despite my post being so grim.
 
I'm so impressed with your knowledge, I could just chit myself. Do you have a thesis paper or anything I can wipe my azz with?

Use your sleeves, suits you better...LOL

Sorry, I Thought it was so funny to reply with your level so had to post it...
And Excuse me for the 7hr time difference.
 
I guess the Christmas season only applies if you believe in Christ. Mik has done so many things, I'm sure he was one of the wise men at the manger.

I´ve done many jobs yes and tried different things.. wisdom thru error.
And why are you mixing religion in our discussions already?
Running out of bullets?

PS watched Ben-Hur yesterday, Messala reminded of you...
 
A corporation pays 5% more in taxes (on profit) than the highest level an individual could be taxed at. USA corporation pay the second highest corporate tax on Earth.....and yet they are the ones Obama is looking at to pay for all these programs for people that DON'T work (or don't want to).
And the total would be a lot more than we do overhere, 22 sales and 29 of the profit on years end.
My wage is 18 as we speak but could go up to 70 if I was earning millions.

So what are they overthere..lets compare ?

As the 3rd generation owner of a small business people just don't understand what Obama's small business policies are doing to small businesses, I have 130 employees and some of them don't either. My father made good money for many years and pays taxes at roughly double the rate of most of our employees, I'm just getting to a point I should expect a decent salary but the money isn't there. Hell, we have several employees making more than I do. My father is still active in day to day operations but drew his last paycheck Aug of 2008 trying to make sure the company survives!! Obama's "taxing the rich" targets people like him. How many people making $30K a year give someone a job......how many people making $200K a year, own companies and give lots of people jobs (he was one of them). As our taxes are increased the only solution is to reduce expenses. I can't just sell some of our mulit-million dollar equipment in this economy, the owners have already eliminated their paychecks, so the number of employees is the only thing left to reduce expenses to cover the addl taxes.......and although some of my people deserve raises......no telling when that will ever happen.

I assume you work for someone that you perceive makes alot of money and doesn't do anything for others....look at what that person has on the line and try to really see things from that perspective. I can tell you my employees are welcome at mine or my fathers house anytime. A number of them have been on mine or my fathers boats at various times and a few have spent the weekend with him at his river house. These people are the best asset we have so letting someone go sucks....just something that must be done for survival of the group.

BTW: My companies total sales have been in the $17,000,000 range the last couple years, they have dropped to roughly $13,000,000 the last couple and even in good years we never made 10% (and we're twice the industry average!!!). The last 2 have been significant losses. Bush had his issues, but Obama's small business policies are going to turn this country upside down.

That is Alarming and I see your point.

So while in Spring 1994 I looked into moving over and running a business in Florida I was glad I didn´t.
Your taxes are killing every business and what are you getting for the money back???
As I´ve seen it not much so for me to say that U.S.A ain´t that great no more take that as a hint and why the people abroad don´t think that highly of U.S.A anymore, It has nothing to do with jelousy or hate it has to do with the fact there´s nothing to offer anymore, Disney doesn´t cut it anymore.
The Auto-Industry is a living example if Fiat-group is the worlds biggest producer and Europe in general and has been for ages.

Come ON U.S.A Rise up stand on your feet and do Quality Products like you once did and me as a kid looked up to and still do when I find a Bridgeport or a Milacron somewhere.
Look where to save money on running the company, make it a lean machine and be proud doing it plus be (politically) aware, all you need to succeed.
 
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Yes, your superior intellect pierces me like a laser, reducing me to a boring mass of completely understood nuances and critically deconstructed philosophies.

Thanks for the Christmas greeting. Geography and genetics indicate that you are the closest thing to an elf that I will encounter all season. So it's extra special coming from you. :)

Hauskaa Joulua!

Thank you Fund!
And I like the fact you took the extra mile to find merry Christmas in the other of my native tongues.

Your reply just is the proof in the pudding what I stated earlier about you.

God Jul och ett gott nytt år !
 
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