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Sean Stinson
Founding Member/Contributor
Smitty before I answer that, and I understand your position, can I have a couple days to lay this idea of mine out before I present it so I dont, for lack of a better term, have egg on my face! I am not here to disrupt everyone's program but in essence to further everyone's program in a way that each org may benefit in the long run but let me have the meetings that I have arranged and discuss it!! Then either 2 things, as I said will happen, we will agree to go forward or we continue on our current paths individually!!!!!
Wazzup Racing
Sponsor / Competitor
Yes. if you want to talk, I can be reached at 732 920 3945. Thanks Smitty
Sean Stinson
Founding Member/Contributor
I will call you tomorrow at the end of the day! I also sent my number to you!!! I have just had enough of this for today my friend. But thank you for the opportunity to at least present a possible solution!!!!
AugiePensa
The Godfather
OK Sean, your gonna talk to Smitty, don't take any $hit from him Sean. After reading all the posts I'm curious, where does TV fit into all this? Isn't that what this thread was started for. CONGRATS SBI/APBA on your TV deal.
XtremeRacing
Competitor
Augie,
We'll all take one day at a time and see how the peice fit hopeful TV will be good for all of Offshore. Your son might get a shot to see you on the tube again.
Frank
We'll all take one day at a time and see how the peice fit hopeful TV will be good for all of Offshore. Your son might get a shot to see you on the tube again.
Frank
AugiePensa
The Godfather
Frankie, I hope so. I'm getting older, they are getting older soon they ain't gonna want to see the old man on the tube. I just think it's great what Bubba can do, and has always done. When it's the end of time there will be three things left on earth,Cockroaches, Twinkies and Bubba(John Carbonell). Take that $hit to the Bank!
XtremeRacing
Competitor
I never really looked at it that way, but I guess thats a true statement. The rest have come and gone .
Sean Stinson
Founding Member/Contributor
Smitty and I had a good talk today....so you must have greased the skids before we talked...:sifone::sifone: Anyway as I told him this is a long uphill battle and everyone is going to have to have an open mind!!!!!! But that being said I am not sure if it's even doable to start but I am going to take another step forward!!!!
Sean Stinson
Founding Member/Contributor
Ain't that the truth.....:sifone::sifone::sifone:
XtremeRacing
Competitor
Augie,
I dont think its the end of time yet, but a new beging. I think you will see a side of Offshore that we havent seen in a while or possible have never seen. Looking forward to working with OPA in the futhure:sifone: there is safety in numbers.
Sean Stinson
Founding Member/Contributor
Good thing I wasn't holding my breath on that call back Marc!!!!:sifone::sifone:
Fast Shafts
Competitor
Rich, you forgot to ad how great it was 30 years ago....When there was no "deck to deck" racing, when cats ran against V's, when 4 engine Superboats ran against twin engine V's, when 2/3 of the boats broke down, when boats raced in "parade" formation.
There is a reason we remember the past-so we don't repeat it!. We all know your not a fan of bracket racing-however the OPA's formulas seems to work-especially in the Ocean races.
Its also ashame that the last few post are from guys (Sean, Smitty) trying to "better" the sport, only to be belittled by you as having "no goal".
Whats the old saying: "If your not part of the solution..your part of the problem".
Is there anything wrong with OPA finding a niche to fill in the northeast? Just as hundreds of car race tracks around the the country fill a niche?
Many people respect your engineering feats with the Shadow Cat boats, however your Monday morning belly-aching reminds me of the "professional complainers" on a cheap radio talk show.
How about contributing? Your wealth of knowledge about the sport is immense, why not put it to constructive use??
Sincerely,
Bob
There is a reason we remember the past-so we don't repeat it!. We all know your not a fan of bracket racing-however the OPA's formulas seems to work-especially in the Ocean races.
Its also ashame that the last few post are from guys (Sean, Smitty) trying to "better" the sport, only to be belittled by you as having "no goal".
Whats the old saying: "If your not part of the solution..your part of the problem".
Is there anything wrong with OPA finding a niche to fill in the northeast? Just as hundreds of car race tracks around the the country fill a niche?
Many people respect your engineering feats with the Shadow Cat boats, however your Monday morning belly-aching reminds me of the "professional complainers" on a cheap radio talk show.
How about contributing? Your wealth of knowledge about the sport is immense, why not put it to constructive use??
Sincerely,
Bob
Sean Stinson
Founding Member/Contributor
Easy now Bob...Rich and I have a great relationship.......as matter of fact we just had lunch together....BTW if someone wants to make money all you need is a hidden camera to get the stories on record......He does have great input even if his shiny head does blind you while the salad bar lights glare off of it!!!!
I think the fact that some take a laxadaisyl approach on things irritates him and he gets tired of repeating facts on different items!!!! Anyway he is by no means as bad as some I have seen in the past!!!
Sean Stinson
Founding Member/Contributor
I also think that the mountain that has to be scaled to better our sport is an undertaking that is overwhelmingly difficult at best....imposssible??? NO but extremely difficult at best!!!!!
Sean Stinson
Founding Member/Contributor
Listen I will make you ride in the helicopter with Phil again!!!!! And that's an adventure in itself!!
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I'm probably worse............
I am not tired of repeating facts....... I am tired of seeing the same things done year after year.
New big money guy shows up, fawning hangers on follow him, rules are thrown out, new classes are created around his toys. He gets insulted by being confined to one group and throws his support behind (or starts)another (OPT, SBR, SBI). His boats grow in size and power until he exceeds every existing speed and safety limit and raises the spending bar across the entire sport. This goes on until his accountants figure out he has nothing to show for x years of playtime and he moves on to buying a soccer team in Romania.
Meanwhile the "little guys" feel left out and "unable to compete" so they lobby for new, more user friendly classes, form a "local group" (NPBA,USPBA, USORA) win races against no competition and immediately feel like they are worthy of a Fortune 500 sponsor and National TV coverage. This goes on until their wives figure out thay have nothing to show for x years of playtime and they move on to losing money betting on 6 football games a week.
Meanwhile, beginners come into the sport with varied size budgets and invariably wind up getting bad advice, making poor choices from a mind numbing array of "Options", and find themselves with a boat they can barely (or can't) handle and never learn what actual racing feels or looks like. This goes on until they get stuck with Sean Stinson's bar taband they move on to an internet addiction based on forums like these, wherein they brag about their knowledge and experience.
.
Now.........
Consider that every medium to big budget guy can afford (and handle) a Super Cat Lite. If they all bought one, you would have an affordable, predictable entry class, great racing, a great entertainment product, a single set of effective safety standards in a controllable speed envelope, and a legitimate reason for someone to sponsor you and get behind your team.
And.......
Consider that every "little guy" can afford (and handle) an SVL. If they all bought one, you would have an affordable, predictable entry class, great racing, a great entertainment product, a single set of effective safety standards in a controllable speed envelope, and a legitimate reason for someone to sponsor you and get behind your team.
Finally......
Consider that every beginner can afford an S.O.B. (Single Out Board). There are great examples racing in Europe at present. If they all bought one, you would have an affordable, predictable entry class, great racing, a great entertainment product, a single set of effective safety standards in a controllable speed envelope, and the ability to step up into a future class with a legitimate reason for someone to sponsor you and get behind your team.
Some things to think about.
T2x
AMEN,
Like a old journeymen, in most trades (They are still around). words from them should be cherished!
MarylandMark
Charter Member
In fairness I took your quotes out of context but still rubbed me- the lowly fan- the wrong way.
Without the lowly fan most teams (regardless of what org they represent) will continue to have to support their teams on their own budgets. Without the lowly fan the sponsors don't get any exposure other than what they have now (other boaters) and don't sell more product which means no more sponsor money.
Focus on how the lowly fan spends his loot more than the way you (again- not you Gino; just saying in general) spend your loot and your loot will increase exponentially (as in look at most professional players salaries vs a pro boat racers salary).
Schmucks like me are who are going to make ya'll rich!
Signed,
Lowly Fan
ps- Gino if you get rid of that BobbyB you may get more sponsors; he's funny looking.. :rofl:
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