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Steve 1
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Chris I was right next door for 6 Years helping to keep to the place safe in my own small way. Saddam needed stopped.
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we were in a state of war.
Saddam's military continually violated cease fire and the no fly zone restrictions by firing on our aircraft and the raids into Kuwait.
Iraq violated 17 U.N. resolutions.
He was developing weapons of mass destruction.
Saddam supported families of homicide bombers with a 25,000 dollar rewards.
Saddam had terrorist training Facilities.
He Saddam was wiggling out of the sanctions with the help of the Chinese , French, Russians.
Once free he would have resumed his weapons programs.
Steve 1
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NO that was the only Path she could take 18 mind you 18 Bogus Lawsuits tying her hands and consuming resources.
Here :http://www.thecypresstimes.com/arti...OF_GOVERNOR_PALINS_2009_ACCOMPLISHMENTS/27032
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All true. And not one single piece of it bears any relation to why we chose to unilaterally invade the country and remove Saddam from office.
There are plenty of places in this world that present way more of a threat from the points you list. So why is Iraq so special to deserve our attention?
There are plenty of places in this world that present way more of a threat from the points you list. So why is Iraq so special to deserve our attention?
Steve 1
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So in your eyes a Madman in control of half the Worlds Oil would be OK? and a chance of a WMD placed in an American city is acceptable risk ?
That 29 Million People were freed from a Mass murdering Tyrant,Like I said the War Malingering on is the problem I have with it.
I looked real quickly to see if I could find the exact text for Alaska's gubernatorial oath of office. Couldn't.
But I'm going to go out on a limb and bet $500 that nowhere in it does it contain the phrase "...unless it becomes too difficult for me".
She petitioned the voters of the state to put her into the chief executive's office. She told the country she was "a pit bull with lipstick" or something like that. And then she folded.
We build memorials to people that gave everything they had for thier country. We revere people who gave all in service to their fellow citizens. I don't see us chiselling any granite in S. Dakota into the likeness of Sarah Palin any time in the near future.
Wobble
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Didn't realize you are a veteran.:USA:
Now you've hit upon it. Oil. Energy. We need stability in the region. But we can't kill everyone there and take it. We need to reign Saudi Arabia in. We need to get the kooks out of Iran. And we need to do it without rolling tanks through their streets and killing a bunch of people. So Iraq is our seed. Stabilize them, bring Iran into the fold with pro-American sentiment and democratic reforms and now the Saudi's aren't the big players. After you've done that, you've given the scumbag terrorists so many fewer places to hide and so fewer economic supporters that they're too vulnerable to do much of anything. And the few places they have left to hide become incredibly isolated and vulnerable. And that's how you win.
Steve 1
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No that was my Dad I have his Flag ,I Built things for the military
Steve 1
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So killing a mass murdering America hating Terrorist and Terrorist supporter with Petro Bucks was Bad? Dude I have seen his torture chambers and the results of his "adventures".
LaughingCat
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Chris, you are making some great posts. I so wish more people would they are battling on tactical issues when we need to focus on a strategic plan. Talking points are simply diversionary tactics sent out to keep the ignorant blinded and avoid a strategic uprising that derails "the powers that be" from power. Propaganda has the same condemning effect on Democracy as it does Communism. The dissemination of truth and the ability to vote based on the trust are really the only things that differentiates us from teh commies.
I didn't say it was bad. I'm discussing the reason and the reason had nothing to do with that. We have plenty of opportunities and plenty of justification to take out the leadership and the regimes of more than a handful of nations doing the same or worse. And we deliberately dont.
It's unfortunate that the American public can't be levelled with- that we're potentially one bad act from a global economic meltdown and we're not 100% in control. But most American's wouldn't care. They can buy gas today and they'll worry about tomorrow when it gets here. But when it's $45 a gallon and you can't buy more than 5 gallons a month, you'll care. Alot.
Steve 1
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Well there are a couple of ways to look at this I saw the dog and pony show first hand and destruction, My friends there were in the resistance during the occupation.
the monthly saber rattling at the border by the Iraqis and living with a M-16 and a gas mask helped keep me alert.
The toothless UN inspectors could not find their Butt with both hands which added to the over all feeling of security and Bliss.
The Chinese which the Kindly impeached Rapist Gave MFN status among other things also were busy updating the missile defense in Iraq with Fiber optics to kill American Pilots!
The Blame really goes back to that affirmative Action General Named Powell who went crying to Bush during GW1 to call the war off as too many murdering Iraqis were being killed. so a half Azzed crease fire was done. which is nothing but a land mine for the future.
Steve 1
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Gasoline? Well who is to blame? Who is the party of Lawyers and EPA Snakes? We sit on trillions of barrels of Oil but can't use a drop!
and You do not leave a Rattlesnake in the House or try to tame a Rabid Dog both will eventually Bite, We are at War here.
I've tried, but the racism and xenophobia run way too deep. I'm out of this one.
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MarylandMark
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Steve 1
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Powell is the reason we are in this Dam mess in the first place. He convinced HW Bush in the first go round to stop killing the Iraqis because Get this it would look bad to the rest of the World. With me ? He Stopped US from going to Baghdad too finish that job! He is nothing but a Democrat.
In fact there is a story he told about the LBJ sticker on his automobile back when he was a Lt. and the crap he got over it he got. Simple he figured the Republicans would be good for him they like a strong military , Now that said, After the Iraqis committed the worst environmental Damage in history all bets were off , But Democrats like to leave these Land Mines Like No Korea ,Red China and Vietnam, Going back to GW1 another Democrat land mine, Iran ! Carter got played on that then the Iraq Iran war , Russians in Afghanistan and here we are today. That nasty “D” gets around!
In fact there is a story he told about the LBJ sticker on his automobile back when he was a Lt. and the crap he got over it he got. Simple he figured the Republicans would be good for him they like a strong military , Now that said, After the Iraqis committed the worst environmental Damage in history all bets were off , But Democrats like to leave these Land Mines Like No Korea ,Red China and Vietnam, Going back to GW1 another Democrat land mine, Iran ! Carter got played on that then the Iraq Iran war , Russians in Afghanistan and here we are today. That nasty “D” gets around!
LaughingCat
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Actually, if there is onenotable positive out of GWB's debacle invasion of Iraq, it's that he confirmed that his father was right NOT to take over and topple Saddam. As mad as he was, Saddam held the top on that can of worms. There is a reason why the military fights on the front lines and civilians make the political decisions. When you are too close to the issue, the appropriate strategic decisions are too tough to make.
And if I do recall, gas was $1.85/gal when Bush took over in 2000. It peaked at over $4/gal and only began to fall when there was tough talk about drawing down our troops and the global economy declined. During that time, both the lawyers and the EPA were effectively neutered. Not sure how the argument you make holds water.
Steve, it really is a good time in our country for everyone to look past all these issues and focus on fixing real problems. There are alot of people on in this forum who oppose socialising anything, but would like to see their health insurance premium drop drastically while maintaining same or better health care. This can be dealt with if Dems and Reps work together. But if either or both sides insist on taking pot shots at each other, then nothing will get accompished.
And if politicians aren't getting something accomplished, then we have no use for them, no matter what party they are from.
And if I do recall, gas was $1.85/gal when Bush took over in 2000. It peaked at over $4/gal and only began to fall when there was tough talk about drawing down our troops and the global economy declined. During that time, both the lawyers and the EPA were effectively neutered. Not sure how the argument you make holds water.
Steve, it really is a good time in our country for everyone to look past all these issues and focus on fixing real problems. There are alot of people on in this forum who oppose socialising anything, but would like to see their health insurance premium drop drastically while maintaining same or better health care. This can be dealt with if Dems and Reps work together. But if either or both sides insist on taking pot shots at each other, then nothing will get accompished.
And if politicians aren't getting something accomplished, then we have no use for them, no matter what party they are from.
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