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Looking for "SeaDoo for Dad" - 108' Sunseeker
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MarylandMark
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The words Oklahoma and back-channel should never ever be used in a sentence together..
C_Spray
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My friends have been contacted by representatives of the owner regarding the damages to their boats. I will leave it to them to provide further details if they wish. I do not have any information regarding any other actions that might be taken against the vessel, its owner, or its operator. (If it was me, I'd have the vessel arrested and its Cruising Permit revoked.)
Ms PatriYacht
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That's good news and I am sure your efforts had something to do with it. Can you give any details on who was driving and where the owner was at the time
R'Addiction
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Chucks efforts had everything to do with this. I have been contacted by marine surveyors and lawyers, Coast Gaurd and DNR. Wheels are rolling! Thanks Chuck
C_Spray
Charter Member
Well - Good news / Bad News:
Letters from the owners attorney to victim(s) agree to pay for damages as per agreed-upon values based on a professional surveyor's assesment of each vessel/facility. In exchange, the victim(s) has to agree to never ever hassle the owner in any way shape or form about the incident.
The letter makes no indication of who the owners are by name, only "BB Yachting, Ltd., a Cayman Islands company".
The letter offer states "On behalf of the owner, we apologize for any inconvenience or difficulties the wake incident of July 5, 2009 may have caused your business or guests." It does not state that the owner (who is now believed to have been onboard at the time) apologizes or even cares.
So: In exchange for what the victims were due all along and a limp apology, the owner wants to be let off of every potential hook. The victims will have to choose their path...
Letters from the owners attorney to victim(s) agree to pay for damages as per agreed-upon values based on a professional surveyor's assesment of each vessel/facility. In exchange, the victim(s) has to agree to never ever hassle the owner in any way shape or form about the incident.
The letter makes no indication of who the owners are by name, only "BB Yachting, Ltd., a Cayman Islands company".
The letter offer states "On behalf of the owner, we apologize for any inconvenience or difficulties the wake incident of July 5, 2009 may have caused your business or guests." It does not state that the owner (who is now believed to have been onboard at the time) apologizes or even cares.
So: In exchange for what the victims were due all along and a limp apology, the owner wants to be let off of every potential hook. The victims will have to choose their path...
fund razor
Founding Member
I would choose compensation. I thought about this and decided that I can't ask that someone else feel a certain way. I can however, insist on being made whole for my damages.
Ms PatriYacht
Charter Member
plus this thread and others like it on various boards will be there for all to see.
Ms PatriYacht
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also the letter says victims, they can't do much about the people that know about the incident but were not victims. To many people know about it already so that can not be taken back. If I were the victims I would take as much money as I could get and let this thread and what the non victims have to say stand testimony to what a jerk he must be. Born with a silver spoon is often different than having to shovel your way to the top.
Offshoredrillin
New member
just thinking out loud here Chuck...
If an offer of settlement can be construed as an admission of guilt, doesn't this bode well for John and the others...HOWEVER, it seems to me that by "buying" everyone off they are sweeping it under the rug. ALSO, the term "hassle" does tha mean that they are requesting that threads such as this be deleted and not brought up again...contracts..always remember the devil is in the details.
now is a pound of flesh for the captain that is gone worth a gag order?
Twin27Advantage
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Does it matter if the owner was on board or not? If his buddy or friend of a buddy is the one that flicked everyone off, how would the owner or crue know unless they were told about it? I would assume that by saying "On behalf of the owner, we apologize" means the owner of the vessel and its crue. So the owner is apologizing and does care since he is offering to fix any damages.
Either way a letter was sent saying they apologize! He/they are willing to take care of the damages...so it sounds like he/they are doing the right thing and being fair. The guy should state that you can't hassel him. If he pays for damages he caused based on what a professional surveyor says then you have no reason to hassel the guy in the future, he is just covering his butt from greedy people. What else do you want from the guy? Unless you are suffering long term bodily damage, asking for more than what the guy offered is looking for a hand out in my opinion.
The BB Yachting, Ltd is likely there in case of an incident like this or a person falling and taking leagal action against the owner.
Either way a letter was sent saying they apologize! He/they are willing to take care of the damages...so it sounds like he/they are doing the right thing and being fair. The guy should state that you can't hassel him. If he pays for damages he caused based on what a professional surveyor says then you have no reason to hassel the guy in the future, he is just covering his butt from greedy people. What else do you want from the guy? Unless you are suffering long term bodily damage, asking for more than what the guy offered is looking for a hand out in my opinion.
The BB Yachting, Ltd is likely there in case of an incident like this or a person falling and taking leagal action against the owner.
Unfortunately there are no laws against being an a$$hole. So legally he's not obligated to do anything beyond financial compensation for actual damages.
What's disappointing is the law enforcement response to this.
Too bad nobody got video. This would have been a great story on the CBS Evening News.
What's disappointing is the law enforcement response to this.
Too bad nobody got video. This would have been a great story on the CBS Evening News.
C_Spray
Charter Member
Maybe it was foolish fantasy to expect the owner to do anything beyond the absolute minimum. All I can say is that I recieved several PM's and phone calls indicating that he is a "stand up" or "honorable" man. Maybe this is the case, and his legal team is standing in his way for reasons that make sense from their point of view. All I know is that I work for a man who would have handled this completely differently. He would have made the captain turn around, told his legal guys to go screw themselves, gone back to the marina, met with every one of the victims personally, and really cared that they be properly taken care of. By the time it was over, every one of the victims would have thought far more of him than if they had not been through the experience.
Instead, we are left feeling strangely violated and abandoned, not only by the "SeaDoo for Dad" crowd, but also by Bombardier Recreational Products, who promised decisive action and by the USCG and local police, who seem to have simply vanished.
I have no idea what my reaction might be should I ever encounter this vessel or it's owners. I hope that I never do. Frankly: I hope that they NEVER feel comfortable cruising the waters of the eastern seaboard; that they ALWAYS feel nervous about the stares from the docks and other boats, never knowing whether they are being admired or despised; and that they dread every boat that pulls up next to them and attempts to hail them. May they never be comfortable in an eastern port - they made themselves a pariah by their actions, and they will have to live with it.
I'm disappointed and disgusted by the whole thing.
Instead, we are left feeling strangely violated and abandoned, not only by the "SeaDoo for Dad" crowd, but also by Bombardier Recreational Products, who promised decisive action and by the USCG and local police, who seem to have simply vanished.
I have no idea what my reaction might be should I ever encounter this vessel or it's owners. I hope that I never do. Frankly: I hope that they NEVER feel comfortable cruising the waters of the eastern seaboard; that they ALWAYS feel nervous about the stares from the docks and other boats, never knowing whether they are being admired or despised; and that they dread every boat that pulls up next to them and attempts to hail them. May they never be comfortable in an eastern port - they made themselves a pariah by their actions, and they will have to live with it.
I'm disappointed and disgusted by the whole thing.
Ms PatriYacht
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Chuck you did a great job getting the word out so I think wherever they travel there is a chance they will encounter someone that has heard the story. However don't be surprised if we never see See-Do for Dad on the water or at least with that name on it. I think I heard a new one was being built or even if they keep this one they would be foolish not to change the name. When you think about it, unless you are a squeaky clean person putting your company's name on your boat is probably not such a good marketing idea.
