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If you're tuned up all day, where are you going to get the money to live on and support your family, much less buy dope?
 
I thought ben was using liberty as a front to buy fountain and make reggie his puppet on the outside....
 
Chris said:
If you're tuned up all day, where are you going to get the money to live on and support your family, much less buy dope?
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Smiling all day long...:26:

Remember Bob Marley...:sifone:

Heerbs aree good for everythiiiing.... Hahaaa.

Elvis,Ray Charles and Willie Neson are/were junkies too...
Picasso,Salvador Dali also....nothing new in the artistic circles.

So back in the day I see the point of thinking weed is innocent.


FYI. I´m against drugs, even steroids.
 
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Geronimo36 said:
POST OF THE DAY!!!! :rofl::rofl:

"The seventh transaction occurred in November 1986. The appellants imported a "bargeload" of approximately 130,000 pounds of marijuana to San Francisco. "
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Happens all the time..

Back in the Day Ben wasn´t even close to being the largest weed importer in US.
There was this bunch of Californians who had shipping vessels for it that eventually got cought and got the top notches.
He was up there but not one of the top dogs.
 
Shall I go back to OSO and find the threads where the same folks said Ben deserves to be in jail????:lurk5:

Just because we're more liberal NOW about importation of Marijuana, the penalties are what they were...and laundering money, running a criminal enterprise and attempted escape from jail is still illegal...but I guess the likes of Wallstreet has people thinking that's ok too.... Everything to make a buck it seems....:(

It amazes me how people justify ILLEGAL activities and how they're "not so bad" or "crime of the time". Meanwhile the majority of us work hard for our money LEGALLY... The former say's a lot about a persons character in my opinion..... :leaving:
 
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DAREDEVIL said:
How do u think they do it now with it being ilegal ????
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They jack convenience stores and beat/rob weaker people like kids and elderly. They break car windows and steal your stuff. They drag their families down with them, soaking from relatives that can't bear to see their spouses/children suffer.

Let's work on getting better educations for our children in safer schools. Let's work on helping people break from addictive lifestyles. Let's make the neighborhoods a safer place. Let's get as many people theat can lead productive lives into good jobs. Send me all the people that want to import and sell this $hit and I'll provide you with a very impressive stack of neatly piled corpses.
 
Chris said:
They jack convenience stores and beat/rob weaker people like kids and elderly. They break car windows and steal your stuff. They drag their families down with them, soaking from relatives that can't bear to see their spouses/children suffer.

Let's work on getting better educations for our children in safer schools. Let's work on helping people break from addictive lifestyles. Let's make the neighborhoods a safer place. Let's get as many people theat can lead productive lives into good jobs. Send me all the people that want to import and sell this $hit and I'll provide you with a very impressive stack of neatly piled corpses.
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Almost 70% of kids who have used illegal drugs 3 times or more a year have had violent behavior incidents within that same year. (A 3 year study). Meth the worst of course.


http://www.oas.samhsa.gov/2k6/youthViolence/youthViolence.htm
 
Chris said:
They jack convenience stores and beat/rob weaker people like kids and elderly. They break car windows and steal your stuff. They drag their families down with them, soaking from relatives that can't bear to see their spouses/children suffer.

Let's work on getting better educations for our children in safer schools. Let's work on helping people break from addictive lifestyles. Let's make the neighborhoods a safer place. Let's get as many people theat can lead productive lives into good jobs. Send me all the people that want to import and sell this $hit and I'll provide you with a very impressive stack of neatly piled corpses.
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Instant classic post.
 
Chris said:
They jack convenience stores and beat/rob weaker people like kids and elderly. They break car windows and steal your stuff. They drag their families down with them, soaking from relatives that can't bear to see their spouses/children suffer.

Chris,

You hit it on the head with that post above. Drugs cost money, addicts need and like to get high, addicts can't hold a job very well, so where does this money come from? The answer is posted above. The emotional pain that the addicts cause family, friends, loved ones can not be measured in dollars.

Legalized heroin or coke/crack, never, that would be just f*cking stupid! Weed maybe, today's weed seems to be too high powered/potent. Keep in mind DUI or BUI still applies, drugs and or alcohol can lead to a conviction for driving under the influence, so the argument of having all these drugged-out people on the road is not totally accurate.

There are many long-term addicts out there, meaning addicts that have been around for twenty plus years, breaking the cycle of addiction is the key. Church, NA, AA, and counseling seems to be effective for some. The world would be a much better place when and if addicts get clean. A light goes on in inside the addict/alocoholic's head/mind, and until that light does, he or she will live in darkness/addiction. That light is the desire to change, regardless of how unfamilar and difficult it may be for the alcoholic/addict. When the pain is great enough that is when the addict/alcoholic is ripe for change. Sometimes that light does not get to go off, then death or jail is the next consequence.

Let's get back to the Ben Kramer saga, it is always interesting to hear the opinions of that case, and theory, and outcome.

PS -- if anyone on this board that has a loved one, friend, or whoever, that needs help for addiction, e-mail me, and I can help guide/refer you and the addict/alcoholic that wants help to the right places for treatment, even if they do not have healthcare. I don't mind helping people who actually want help (not court ordered, bucking the system help).

Stephen
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MikeyFIN said:
Happens all the time..

Back in the Day Ben wasn´t even close to being the largest weed importer in US.
There was this bunch of Californians who had shipping vessels for it that eventually got cought and got the top notches.
He was up there but not one of the top dogs.
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So many major guys smuggling Pot back then..and then coke hit and the game was ratched up x 10. Willie Falcon and Sal Maglutta..major players.

What is interesting though,is that alot of the Miami Vice episodes were written about Ben. One in particular was the one where the vans were waiting for the pot from the larger ship and the tenders were bringing it ashore.
So much happened on 188th also..even with Aronow.
Billy Elswick brought in tons thru New Orleans.Was arrested in Spain and extradited to the US. I spent a weekend with him when I bought Longshot and the stories were just incredible..still love story about his dog with a gold tooth !
 
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