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Dorito's stock was in the the crapper and all the stoners were getting their work done so they sent a barge load into San Fran, rush delivery, towed by 4 Apaches!:rofl:
Geronimo36
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This thread deseves the company of the Guiness guys!
Ben was is in solitary confinement for 60 days as the Govt wanted him to plea bargain..he wouldn't bend and they threw in the murder of Aronow.
That is why he pleaded"no contest"..he had no choice.Ben's conviction stemmed from money laundering thru Lichtenstein and circumvented to the Bicycle Club.
The real murderer is Bobby Young that recently died in prison on another drug charge.He exonerated Ben...
That is why he pleaded"no contest"..he had no choice.Ben's conviction stemmed from money laundering thru Lichtenstein and circumvented to the Bicycle Club.
The real murderer is Bobby Young that recently died in prison on another drug charge.He exonerated Ben...
Thanks so much for the valuble "insider" info Jack. :rofl:
....and welcome back for your second chance. Make sure that you're on your best behavior.
Geronimo36
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Don't forget about the importing an ungodly amount of weed which comes with a mandantory life-time imprisonment..... To me, the money laundering was after the fact and was the icing on the cake... The money is a direct result of the drugs (gotta hide your drug money and clean it somehow)......then throw in the "nudge" by the government if you want...
solitary confinement, sure...they wanted info....righfully so...he had it, they knew it...he's just not a rat, I'll give him that!!
I dunno guys, I don't see any motivation for the court to over turn the ruling as it was already reaffirmed/appealed once according to the public record.
I believe everyone in life deserves a second chance but at some point you need to draw the line.... Maybe if I was able to talk to Ben directly, like a select few have, I would feel differently but all the public records of the sentences/convictions, it's just too extreme......
Were talking 500K lbs. of weed (130K lbs on a barge to san fran), $60M in USD (in 1987 terms) and possible association of a murder.... Did he do the deed, I dunno, I tend to think no, may have even been the government....but for all intensive purposes he has a pretty extreme wrap sheet in my eyes.
solitary confinement, sure...they wanted info....righfully so...he had it, they knew it...he's just not a rat, I'll give him that!!
I dunno guys, I don't see any motivation for the court to over turn the ruling as it was already reaffirmed/appealed once according to the public record.
I believe everyone in life deserves a second chance but at some point you need to draw the line.... Maybe if I was able to talk to Ben directly, like a select few have, I would feel differently but all the public records of the sentences/convictions, it's just too extreme......
Were talking 500K lbs. of weed (130K lbs on a barge to san fran), $60M in USD (in 1987 terms) and possible association of a murder.... Did he do the deed, I dunno, I tend to think no, may have even been the government....but for all intensive purposes he has a pretty extreme wrap sheet in my eyes.
Geronimo36
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What's interesting about this whole saga is how not too long ago, on the other side, some people posting in this thread, had equal and opposite views of this whole debacle.....
I'm getting tired of all the BS on these boards!
I'm getting tired of all the BS on these boards!
Alot of the guys that were moving pot back then have been out of jail for a long time.Billy Elswick moved easily as much as Ben...and he has been out for a while now.
Ben wasn't even close to the biggest guys..just the most notorious.
In comparison to the 'Cocaine Cowboys", Ben was small potatoes.
Ben wasn't even close to the biggest guys..just the most notorious.
In comparison to the 'Cocaine Cowboys", Ben was small potatoes.
Geronimo36
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I hear ya Jack but I don't condone it and it doesn't make it ok.... Live by the sword, die by the sword.
I'm done with thist stuff, I don't really care if he stays in or gets out!
I'm done with thist stuff, I don't really care if he stays in or gets out!
Geronimo36
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I guess we have a lot of stoners on the board....must be a lot of subscribers to high-times! lol
I gave that chit up 15 years ago "dude"!
I gave that chit up 15 years ago "dude"!
DAREDEVIL
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I am not going to comment on if he should still be in jail or not, that is an issue for the courts to handle. Has Ben done any interviews since he has been in jail? I do not recall seeing one, but this thread got me wondering about a couple questions I am sure some people would ask. Like what Ben's take on the sport today is? Also, what he thinks of the technology advances that have taken place in the last 20years? If he ever thought Apache's would have the cult following that they do today? Etc. Etc.
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