Biloxi Musings

[Sean Stinson]

The simple fact is this with the current racing scenario you could add the tunnel boats and the hydroplanes to it as we are running the same course!!!!! It's all hogwash in my book. Better yet we could have the drag boats running in the center at the same time then and only then will you have a boat count like we did back in the days and again in the late 90's early 2000's.....

 

[T2x]

The long ocean races are a made for TV event only, in my opinion, not a huge fan draw in this new age of instant gratification.

If you are relying on your event spectators to make you a great sport the wait will be endless. TV is, in fact, the key to the castle.

All you need is that color guy who can do live to tape, unscripted monologues for 90 minutes non stop while riding in a helicopter with the door off at 120 mph.

Whatever happened to him.......?

T2x

 

[Sean Stinson]

We can have this arguement for another 10 yeras and personally I dont have that much time to watch this bull****... A unification is very much needed by the racers under one banner with a board of directors that runs the show if you dont like the show go to a poker run because the reason you dont like the show are 2 reasons

1) You cant get your **** together enough to win!!!
2) You dont have bragging rights because of reason #1

We can debate this until the sky turns green and heaven has brass poles for all of us that go to the church of the dancing girls......

 

[Sean Stinson]

The long ocean races are a made for TV event only, in my opinion, not a huge fan draw in this new age of instant gratification. QUOTE]

If you are relying on your event spectators to make you a great sport the wait will be endless. TV is, in fact, the key to the castle.

All you need is that color guy who can do live to tape, unscripted monologues for 90 minutes non stop while riding in a helicopter with the door off at 120 mph.

Whatever happened to him.......?

T2x

He was driving a getaway van in Pt Pleasant last summer as he dropped old offshore DVD's out the window:sifone::sifone::sifone::sifone:

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

The simple fact is this with the current racing scenario you could add the tunnel boats and the hydroplanes to it as we are running the same course!!!!! It's all hogwash in my book. Better yet we could have the drag boats running in the center at the same time then and only then will you have a boat count like we did back in the days and again in the late 90's early 2000's.....

Sean, We all have different perspectives and opinions. Mine is as a racer , Rich's is as a commentator, Jeff's as a photographer. What is yours?

I hope this thread is intended to be constructive criticism, but how can that comment possibly help anything?

 

[boatme]

The long boring ocean races held off Pt Pleasant drew over 400,000 fans back in the 70's. The race had to be held on a Wednesday rather than a weekend, as the Coast Guard felt they could not control the boat traffic of the crowds.

There were three lower classes....Production and one top class ....Open and everyone understood that the first boat home in those classes won and the next boat was second etc....no brackets, no breakouts.

Charlie same thing happened in Grand Haven Michigan in the 80s More spectators than they knw what to do with and boats only blew by a few times running the lakeshore to South Haven and past Grand Haven to Muskegon and back
You do not need a roundy round course to make it an event and a successful one

It is about THE EVENT ,and ohh by the way a cool race broke out as well
Look at the Iditarod or Dakkar or Tour De France all BIG events that only blow by ONCE

Personally I don’t care for the roundy round

I think Charlie’s old school race is a true test of man and machine

A great long distance race, can be held with great attendance to the entire event, if it was promoted and built up as an event not as a race
Like I said the race is only a SMALL part of the event

We need Charlie in the booth, Rich Lurs In the air, boats on the course and fans on the ground and water

And we need Coverage on TV Radio, Newsprint ect for THE EVENT not just for the race

 

[THEJOKER]

The main problem in my eyes is offshore has no home. It needs a gated , ticketed site that the fans can gather. Car racing was nothing on the beaches either. When DIS was built , car racing was born. It's all about real estate and logistics. Get this together and the fans and teams will come.

 

[Sean Stinson]

Sean, We all have different perspectives and opinions. Mine is as a racer , Rich's is as a commentator, Jeff's as a photographer. What is yours?

I hope this thread is intended to be constructive criticism, but how can that comment possibly help anything?

Jimmy

Mine is as an ex-racer/crew member of world champion race teams who would like to see it like it was!!!!

The way I see it the reason we have so many classes is so the people that fall into reason 1 above have enough money to start their own class if not their own series.....Tell me I am wrong we have all seen it!!!! Unified we stand divided we fall.....Don't believe me go back in history to the days of the 7th Calvary and Sitting Bull....Although it didn't work out for the Indians in the long run Custer had a very bad day when he split up!!!! Now that the calvary is unified again we are a very formidable fighting force!!!

Does anyone see the moral of the story at all here!!!!

 

[Sean Stinson]

Charlie same thing happened in Grand Haven Michigan in the 80s More spectators than they knw what to do with and boats only blew by a few times running the lakeshore to South Haven and past Grand Haven to Muskegon and back
You do not need a roundy round course to make it an event and a successful one

It is about THE EVENT ,and ohh by the way a cool race broke out as well
Look at the Iditarod or Dakkar or Tour De France all BIG events that only blow by ONCE

Personally I don’t care for the roundy round

I think Charlie’s old school race is a true test of man and machine

A great long distance race, can be held with great attendance to the entire event, if it was promoted and built up as an event not as a race
Like I said the race is only a SMALL part of the event

We need Charlie in the booth, Rich Lurs In the air, boats on the course and fans on the ground and water

And we need Coverage on TV Radio, Newsprint ect for THE EVENT not just for the race

Dont forget the Baja1000 Marc

 

[boatme]

Jimmy

Mine is as an ex-racer/crew member of world champion race teams who would like to see it like it was!!!!

The way I see it the reason we have so many classes is so the people that fall into reason 1 above have enough money to start their own class if not their own series.....Tell me I am wrong we have all seen it!!!! Unified we stand divided we fall.....Don't believe me go back in history to the days of the 7th Calvary and Sitting Bull....Although it didn't work out for the Indians in the long run Custer had a very bad day when he split up!!!! Now that the calvary is unified again we are a very formidable fighting force!!!

Does anyone see the moral of the story at all here!!!!

Yea i see the moral

DONT LET STINSON THINK it might make sence and that would be scary LOL

 

[Sean Stinson]

Yea i see the moral

DONT LET STINSON THINK it might make sence and that would be scary LOL

Exactly.....:sifone::sifone::sifone:

Whats wrong with your phone Blondin?????

 

[Sean Stinson]

My point is not to compare boat racing to cowboys and indians....but to show that there was a winning unified body and that when a few that didn't like how it was going split into their own little cliques, for lack of a better word, and slowly they fell one by one until they unified again to come back stronger than ever!!!!!!

 

[Ratickle]

The long ocean races are a made for TV event only, in my opinion, not a huge fan draw in this new age of instant gratification.

If you are relying on your event spectators to make you a great sport the wait will be endless. TV is, in fact, the key to the castle.

All you need is that color guy who can do live to tape, unscripted monologues for 90 minutes non stop while riding in a helicopter with the door off at 120 mph.

Whatever happened to him.......?

T2x

Not sure? :sifone: Let me know when you locate him.....

 

[T2x]

Sean, We all have different perspectives and opinions. Mine is as a racer , Rich's is as a commentator, Jeff's as a photographer. What is yours?

I hope this thread is intended to be constructive criticism, but how can that comment possibly help anything?

For the record, my resume and perspective is as a racer first, a boat builder second, a commentator third, and last, but not least, a curmudgeon.

T2x

 

[Sean Stinson]

Alright I have to jump out for awhile...Rich I will call you this evening!!!! Have a great discussion later we can compare the roman empire and boat racing

 

[Ratickle]

Charlie same thing happened in Grand Haven Michigan in the 80s More spectators than they knw what to do with and boats only blew by a few times running the lakeshore to South Haven and past Grand Haven to Muskegon and back
You do not need a roundy round course to make it an event and a successful one

It is about THE EVENT ,and ohh by the way a cool race broke out as well
Look at the Iditarod or Dakkar or Tour De France all BIG events that only blow by ONCE

Personally I don’t care for the roundy round

I think Charlie’s old school race is a true test of man and machine

A great long distance race, can be held with great attendance to the entire event, if it was promoted and built up as an event not as a race
Like I said the race is only a SMALL part of the event

We need Charlie in the booth, Rich Lurs In the air, boats on the course and fans on the ground and water

And we need Coverage on TV Radio, Newsprint ect for THE EVENT not just for the race

The difference to me, then to now, is there was not TiVo, X Box, Playstation, Internet, Home Movies, etc. TV is the only answer to a long offshore race, otherwise, as Jeff said, the average spectator will be bored and not want to come back. Why do Unlimited Races, and Drag Boat Races, get more spectators now than they had then?

 

[Ratickle]

Alright I have to jump out for awhile...Rich I will call you this evening!!!! Have a great discussion later we can compare the roman empire and boat racing

I thought it was the Ancient Greeks with their oarsmen that ruled....

 

[Ratickle]

For the record, my resume and perspective is as a racer first, a boat builder second, a commentator third, and last, but not least, a curmudgeon.

T2x

cur·mudg·eon (kr-mjn)
n.
An ill-tempered person full of resentment and stubborn notions.

[Origin unknown.]


cur·mudgeon·ly adj.
cur·mudgeon·ry n.


Also, origin unknown......:sifone:

 

[Ratickle]

The main problem in my eyes is offshore has no home. It needs a gated , ticketed site that the fans can gather. Car racing was nothing on the beaches either. When DIS was built , car racing was born. It's all about real estate and logistics. Get this together and the fans and teams will come.

As I said before, a race coinciding with the reopening of the Miami Marine Stadium, where they make a turn in the Stadium Pond (?), and run out somewhere in the ocean and back. With a giant Big Screen TV and live helicopter coverage non-stop would kick this in the rear bigtime.

Especially if classes could include the Europeans, Arabs, and downunder guys.

 

[T2x]

The main problem in my eyes is offshore has no home. It needs a gated , ticketed site that the fans can gather. Car racing was nothing on the beaches either. When DIS was built , car racing was born. It's all about real estate and logistics. Get this together and the fans and teams will come.

Brian:

That's why Miami Marine Stadium is a treasure worth keeping.

T2x