All I can tell you is that whoever was in that boat, they were really, really good. They flew it flat and far, and when it got out of shape they gathered it up fast and kept going. Really an excellent performance.
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All I can tell you is that whoever was in that boat, they were really, really good. They flew it flat and far, and when it got out of shape they gathered it up fast and kept going. Really an excellent performance.
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Sean Stinson
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Maybe they needed some more rough water pros there to push them past that line the ran so well Mike.....:sifone::sifone:
Sean,
No offense to you and Randy but no one was catching the Fountain. Great boat + great crew = huge win. Nothing you or anyone else could have done about it. Steve and Gary ran their tails off trying to run with them in their 10 year old boat and 10 year old motor and were no match.
XtremeRacing
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I'm sure it wont take Steve long to get up to speed. I know Steve will work even harder to make sure Sarasota isnt the same result. All of the SVL can win on any given day, it just testing and more testing. I know Julie is working with a lot of the teams on props, and hopefully that will help the ones that need a little extra speed.
Steve and Gary were up to speed. They picked the perfect propeller, had an awesome set up and ran their asses, almost literally, clean off. That Fountain is .357 Magnum in a knife fight. You can sharpen the knife all you want but unless you can figure out how to make it shoot bullets it ain't gonna beat the gun, especially with no rules structure in place to enforce competitive balance. But what do I know.
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I agree , .......remember a few days ago, the chatter was the "doc's" team did not have experience....., and the Big Water was going to be an "equalizer" for the race............. It was indeed, they were on the groove,, The way that boat flew, was identical to the showing they put on when Doc+ Forehand, beat the Cat Killer with there Stampede in Key West last November,,,,,,,, That was the best race of the Key West, and this was a repeat performance
Those guys worked all day on Saturday and were out there 5-6 times on Saturday testing, different set ups , even when the course was closed Saturday evening?
I do not think that Imco made a showing for testing, and only was out there one pace lap on Sunday,,,
Extreme boat was close to them for the first corner,,, then it was a shootout,,,,
Everyone else needs to do more home work,
I heard they are redirecting there plans to bring both of there boats to SBI Sarasota now,,
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XtremeRacing
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Wasnt there but they said it was 3-4 , enough to make it interesting i'm sure.
I want to be clear about something. The guys in the Fountain were great, but rest assured, if Gary and Steve were in that boat and the Fountain crew was in any of the other boats including the Extreme, Gary and Steve would have won the race going away, and no one should delude themselves into thinking otherwise. I am not taking anything away from the Fountain crew. They took the best boat in the fleet by far, and ran it superbly, as good as anyone else could have IMO, based upon personal observation.
The truth is that what we predicted would happen has happened. No amount of homework or additional preparation is going to make the difference. This is not rocket science. You have the best v-bottom manufacturer in history supporting and developing a brand new piece of technology competing against decade old technology.
Look, there are no rules in place to even the playing field, and even if there were, there is no one around to really enforce the rules anyway. So what do you do? Let the Fountain do its thing and race for second place.
Hi frank . I was hanging up old pics , the other day ,and ran across a few of you , Me ,Ken D, greeneyed boatbabe ,and batgirl . That was great weekend Thanx for bein a part of that . It was fun .
Ok back to the subject .:driving:
Brain Damage
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.......if Gary and Steve were in that boat and the Fountain crew was in any of the other boats including the Extreme, Gary and Steve would have won the race going away, and no one should delude themselves into thinking otherwise. ...............
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This is crazy..........., to think it is the technology above the talent that got a checkered flag, is a lame argument. This was not flat water or racing on a pond with spec boats. The team in winning boat is used to racing V bottoms at 50-60 mph faster, than there SVL. Clearly that give them insight into controlling a 30 foot craft. Not sure if any other teams have been racing at 140+.
In your rationale , all the racers should all sit on the sideline and race remote control boats.
The balance for this SI race was the talent, preparation and the execution of understanding there technology.
Herring props guy stated this was the first time that an SVL won with there technology, (instead of the standardized TU technology).
I believe that any team can win on any given day,,, but they have to do more than wash there boat, and change the oil once a season.
I do agree with you that everyone that choose to compete, and not quit at the begining of the race, should be congratulated for there travel, and performance. No one got hurt.
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This is crazy..........., to think it is the technology above the talent that got a checkered flag, is a lame argument. This was not flat water or racing on a pond with spec boats. The team in winning boat is used to racing V bottoms at 50-60 mph faster, than there SVL. Clearly that give them insight into controlling a 30 foot craft. Not sure if any other teams have been racing at 140+.
In your rationale , all the racers should all sit on the sideline and race remote control boats.
The balance for this SI race was the talent, preparation and the execution of understanding there technology.
Herring props guy stated this was the first time that an SVL won with there technology, (instead of the standardized TU technology).
I believe that any team can win on any given day,,, but they have to do more than wash there boat, and change the oil once a season.
I do agree with you that everyone that choose to compete, and not quit at the begining of the race, should be congratulated for there travel, and performance. No one got hurt.
( .........Herring props guy stated this was the first time that an SVL won with there technology, (instead of the standardized TU technology)..........)......
I believe that any team can win on any given day,,, but they have to do more than wash there boat, and change the oil once a season.
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Throttle up is more than standard in my opinion .
Washing the boat and and changing the oil on the spec SVL,s Was about the limit .
There are not many svls that have done only that . I would be wiiling to bet that # 51 boat has the least amount of change over 10 years If ANY at all .
I believe that any team can win on any given day,,, but they have to do more than wash there boat, and change the oil once a season.
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Throttle up is more than standard in my opinion .
Washing the boat and and changing the oil on the spec SVL,s Was about the limit .
There are not many svls that have done only that . I would be wiiling to bet that # 51 boat has the least amount of change over 10 years If ANY at all .
Brain Damage,
I do agree that the set up and the execution of the very talented team in the boat was the difference. Congratulations to the Doc and Brian.
Other teams have won National and World Championships with Hearrings. Wild Ride with Larry and John won 3 Worlds and a couple of National using Hearings.
Since 04, more races have been won using Throttle Up props than any other prop manufacturer in SVL. I am counting Hydromotives that were either labbed or worked by Matt, who IMO, is one if not the best in the prop business.
Running in a bigger boat which can run higher speeds has nothing to do with running an SVL.
The Doc and Brian proved that not only they do their homework on set up but have the balls to run at a top level.
Again, Congratulations and the bar has been moved up.
Wil
I do agree that the set up and the execution of the very talented team in the boat was the difference. Congratulations to the Doc and Brian.
Other teams have won National and World Championships with Hearrings. Wild Ride with Larry and John won 3 Worlds and a couple of National using Hearings.
Since 04, more races have been won using Throttle Up props than any other prop manufacturer in SVL. I am counting Hydromotives that were either labbed or worked by Matt, who IMO, is one if not the best in the prop business.
Running in a bigger boat which can run higher speeds has nothing to do with running an SVL.
The Doc and Brian proved that not only they do their homework on set up but have the balls to run at a top level.
Again, Congratulations and the bar has been moved up.
Wil
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Wil
since all the props have to be cast, and similiar specs
what is the primary difference between the technology of Herring, T Up, and Hydromotive?
With Herring dominating the market in many area of recreational and racing boats,, what was the affinity for the SVL to use T Up and Hydromotive so often?
In my past life I heard this canned response used repeatedly to explain the thrashing handed out by the latest class killer. I did not believe it then and certainly do not believe it now. But I have said my piece on this matter and need not say anymore. The fact is that the Fountain crew was outstanding. On the rest of it we can just agree to disagree.
BD,
The technology is very similiar with all high end prop builders. The difference IMO is the time spent dialing in the props to the boat.
The are many reasons why most of the SVLs use TU props. Everything being equal, When you live in the East coast you have access to Matt. All you have to do is meet him in Florida and he will spend as much time as needed to give advice, work on the props and even get in the boat to see what the props need.
We have tried every prop manufacturer, Mercury,Herring,Hydromotives to name a few and What has worked the best has been TU, again the personal attention is second to none. At least that has been my experience.
Taht being said, props did not make the difference in SIB. Set up did !
Wil
The technology is very similiar with all high end prop builders. The difference IMO is the time spent dialing in the props to the boat.
The are many reasons why most of the SVLs use TU props. Everything being equal, When you live in the East coast you have access to Matt. All you have to do is meet him in Florida and he will spend as much time as needed to give advice, work on the props and even get in the boat to see what the props need.
We have tried every prop manufacturer, Mercury,Herring,Hydromotives to name a few and What has worked the best has been TU, again the personal attention is second to none. At least that has been my experience.
Taht being said, props did not make the difference in SIB. Set up did !
Wil
Wil, I know you were on the phone getting a blow by blow description of the race but being there and actually seeing it first hand, I can tell you that while the Fountain was set up superbly, so was the Extreme, which also ran a Herring. The difference between the top two teams was simply the boats. The Fountain is bigger and faster. PERIOD. There is nothing any of the owners of the older boats can do to catch the Fountain now, except buy one.
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