Fiscal Conservative, Social Liberal

[Ratickle]

I blame that on the Republicans. :smash:

And you blaming the Republicans for something is a revelation in what way?????:sifone:

 

[MacGyver]

I can make the same argument for alcohol. Are you sugggesting that we outlaw Miller Lite?

Nooooooooo :willy_nilly:

 

[Edward R. Cozzi]

i agree with clay on a lot of this. i have always seen the republicans as the lesser of two evils, due to the fact that 1. they dont want to take what ive earned and give it to some loser 2.they dont want to mess with the constitution 3.arent as likely to try to run my life as the dems 4. somewhat understand that business in the most part is good for our country and economy. I have always seen the dems as a bunch of rich people( and most of them are) that pander to the do nots and are basically do as i say and not as i do, smarter than thou people. They dont give any of their own money to the poor, but want the rest of us to, want the rest of us to have goverment health care that they wont have and specifically dont want. We need something more towards the middle, instead of the far radical left and right we have now, and believe me im more right than left. I also dont like how the repubs pander to the religious right. Now dont jump me for that, cause i have no problem with religion, i think it is a good thing, has a lot of great values, as long as it doesnt compell you to harm or kill others, and most of that is corruption of the true meaning of most religions. I just think that the founding fathers had it right in the strict seperation of church and state, because when every time religion takes hold in government, aka theocracy, there is huge problems with opression and such, just look at the Arabian theocracies, if you dont believe exactly as they do you are screwed. Nothing has caused more wars and hate than religion, it does not belong in government. On the flip side i see no problem with the pledge, nativity scenes in public, a menorah at the courthouse, whatever. By far my biggest problem these days is the excuses made for everything and everyone. If everyone would just have a bit of personal responsibility we would be much better off. As far as the drug thing it is a huge waste of resources, all the people in jail we are paying for and the time and money spent fighting it. Legalize everything but the really hard stuff, tax it, if you overuse and ruin your health its your prob, if you sell it to kids you do hard time, if you commit crimes to buy it or because of it you do hard time. Im not a drug user, i experimented when i was younger but i know people that do and seem to get along. And you can get just about anything without much trouble even with the laws. You take the money out of drugs, maybe more inner city kids would finish school and get real jobs, no more easy money and the crime that goes with it. i think if we concentrated on kids, better education, help with food if needed and health care if needed, you would have more responsible adults. once you turn 21 you are on your own to sink or swim, you are properly equipped to survive and do well, if you chose not to its on you, not on the rest of us. kids cant help who their parents are. i could go on all day but enough for now

Do you have any idea how much easier this would be to read if you understood the need for PARAGRAPHS???

 

[VtSteve]

Where can I find a political candidate (and party) that will allow me to keep my hard-earned money and allow me the freedom to spend it as I see fit?

Looks like I will have to join the Libertarian Party

Smaller Government, Lower Taxes, More Freedom

The trouble with that is, the only ones that would love this freedom, all the time, are those fortunate enough to be able to ride it all out. There are enough Republicans, Democrats, and so-called Libertarians now that are ready and willing to walk away from homes they can afford, and some that cannot afford them.

There are exceptions, of course. I remember the braggadocio from Texas about how they weren't going to take stimulus money, They're independent. No they're not. They're in deep Chit is what they are. So they took it. But, a month later, rejected the stimulus money for unemployment benefits. Funny, being that you're basically screwed if your unemployed in Texas.

Lots of talk, but not lots of answers. Bush was like that, so far, Obama as well.

 

[hotjava66]

Do you have any idea how much easier this would be to read if you understood the need for PARAGRAPHS???

:USA: Sorry , i just get on a rant and type like mad. I actually know better and used to be a good writer. Email and text has made me lazy, thanks for pointing it out. From now on I will do it write right. :sifone:

 

[Trim'd Up]

I'm to drunl to tread this thread/

 

[LaughingCat]

I just don't choose to do it anymore and a big part of the reason was it. . . just plain makes ya stupid! :kiss:

So does watching cable news. :sifone:

 

[LaughingCat]

You are correct Jay, I have never done an illegal drug in my life. Legalizing it would in fact increase use since you could pick it up at the corner store and not have to go searching for it or taking your life into your own hands by driving to the ghetto to get some. One of the biggest reasons I have never done an illegal drug is because they are just that, illegal. If it was legalized I might very well try it. No reason not to since it is no longer illegal.

And what is the problem with trying legal things?

Open statement:What is the real fear people have, they might enjoy themselves? Nancy Reagan scared the Ba-Jesus out of us with her anti-drug campaign. "This is your brain on drugs."

Weak minded people don't worry about the legality of the drugs and they diver far into a world of drug abuse and possibly criminal problems. Rational people are highly unlikely to go that route. BUt we should discuss the real problem with drugs. Keeping them illegal drives the costs up for the user, super inflates the costs for law enforcement, fills our jails and prisons and drains our public resources which are funded by what? more tax dollars.

So if we want to help shrink government budgets, we can take a two step approach: legalize the non-harsh, tax the piss out of them and stop spending money erradicating them. You'll kill the market for gangs and raise huge tax revenue. And all the moral high-ground people who don't do them, guess what, your taxes didn't go up a cent.

When was the last time you had to find a gang member to get your alcohol? How many gang related deaths have their been in the last 70 years due to the illegal alcohol trade?
We can fix our gang and violence problem in Mexico and here if we remove the illegal trade. We can remove all of it, but America has a voracious appetite for illegal drugs: feed it, tax it, monitor it. Save teh government money and bring in more tax revenue to pay down the debt.

 

[VtSteve]

:I just can't help but wonder how many more needy, creepy, drugged out people would be on the dole if these drugs were legalized. It's not like we're now a nation of go-getters, all the young people waking up at dawn to do the very best they can do, energizing a new era of business:icon_bs:

I know a couple of thirty something potheads that can barely scratch their arses, but they can afford pot, and other things. Many seem to think it would fade into just another form of a couple of beers if legalized. I just don't see it. Booze is the largest problem in society today, but it's legal. Perhaps the $XX billion a year excise tax has something to do with that.

 

[fund razor]

Do you have a specific example of this?

Socially Liberal (to me) means freedom of choice. Fiscally Liberal means Wealth Redistribution.

I don't see how freedom of choice leads to redistribution of wealth.

To many people, socially liberal means larger government, providing more hand-outs, welfare type programs, free food, free paychecks, and more "entitlements."

To many people, what you describe in terms of freedom is more akin to libertarianism.

To many people, fiscally liberal means spending like a drunk sailor... without regard to distribution.

To many people, redistribution of wealth would be a description of not social liberalism but socialism.

 

[fund razor]

:I just can't help but wonder how many more needy, creepy, drugged out people would be on the dole if these drugs were legalized. It's not like we're now a nation of go-getters, all the young people waking up at dawn to do the very best they can do, energizing a new era of business:icon_bs:

I know a couple of thirty something potheads that can barely scratch their arses, but they can afford pot, and other things. Many seem to think it would fade into just another form of a couple of beers if legalized. I just don't see it. Booze is the largest problem in society today, but it's legal. Perhaps the $XX billion a year excise tax has something to do with that.

Yep. A buddy from high school is a 44 year old wood form setter for a concrete crew. When he works. (Don't push yourself, dude.)

 

[Geronimo36]

So does watching cable news. :sifone:

Ain't that the truth!! Probably the reason I don't watch the news much anymore.. :sifone:

 

[LaughingCat]

Ain't that the truth!! Probably the reason I don't watch the news much anymore.. :sifone:

You are a smart man. . . and you drive an Apache!

One of my favorites:


Sorry for the hi-jack, just wanted to say it.