everyone please take a min out of your day...

[sy goldberg]

Lost summer tourist attraction !

Taking Frankie's scenario to a conclusion I can not begin to calculate the lost summer tourist dollars that would have been generated by creation and exhibiting the many new animal species caused by STECZ'S sexual escapades.:26::26:

 

[Ratickle]

Lake George looks to be pretty large though. 32 miles long, 3 miles wide at widest point.....

 

[Sean Stinson]

Taking Frankie's scenario to a conclusion I can not begin to calculate the lost summer tourist dollars that would have been generated by creation and exhibiting the many new animal species caused by STECZ'S sexual escapades.:26::26:

If you use Michigan City as an example the local economy had $6mil injected into the local businesses

 

[RUNNINTHERIVER]

Lake George looks to be pretty large though. 32 miles long, 3 miles wide at widest point.....

If you use Michigan City as an example the local economy had $6mil injected into the local businesses

The widest point of the lake isnt the measurement that would be brought up in the authorities argument I suspect.

Michigan City is hardly a comparison. THEY wanted the event there.

Government employees dont have the parts to make decisions without plenty of info to back it up. They do nothing more all day than cover their ass. So I bet there is a file someplace that more than justifies their position.

Using charity involvement to promote your position is ignorant.

Instead of just having yourself being scrutinized now its OK to drag the charity's good name into the argument. BS.

I am a member of a large club and I have never heard in one of our meetings, using our charity involvement to push for special exemption status with a venue or any authorities. If it ever happened , whoever made the suggestion would be sent packing.

 

[T2x]

If you use Michigan City as an example the local economy had $6mil injected into the local businesses

With all due respect Sean...... Horsefeathers.

I doubt if an event like that (20-30 boats with, at most, $2,000-$5,000 of local spending each, plus a limited number of "out of town "fans")added even $1 million to the local economy.

$6 million sounds like something SBI pulled out of its *ss.


T2x

 

[T2x]

The widest point of the lake isnt the measurement that would be brought up in the authorities argument I suspect.

Michigan City is hardly a comparison. THEY wanted the event there.

Government employees dont have the parts to make decisions without plenty of info to back it up. They do nothing more all day than cover their ass. So I bet there is a file someplace that more than justifies their position.

Using charity involvement to promote your position is ignorant.

Instead of just having yourself being scrutinized now its OK to drag the charity's good name into the argument. BS.

I am a member of a large club and I have never heard in one of our meetings, using our charity involvement to push for special exemption status with a venue or any authorities. If it ever happened , whoever made the suggestion would be sent packing.

I think you may be misinterpreting Dave's suggestion. He was not dragging the charity into anything. He was merely suggesting that a charity be designated as a recipient for whatever proceeds might develop..... and, in so doing, quiet the clamor from the opposing forces (sailboaters). Dave has had great success because of his organization's generosity and his credibility. Perhaps your group could learn a thing or three from him. On the other hand, hurling bricks across the border at him might unleash the power of the Oklahoma National Guard, after they get done straightening out Quebec.

T2x

 

[Sean Stinson]

With all due respect Sean...... Horsefeathers.

I doubt if an event like that (20-30 boats with, at most, $2,000-$5,000 of local spending each, plus a limited number of "out of town "fans")added even $1 million to the local economy.

$6 million sounds like something SBI pulled out of its *ss.


T2x

Thats how I felt at first.....But I asked some of the locals there and they seem to back up the story so.....

 

[Gladhe8er]

Thats an odd use to put your charity relationship to.

How about the poker run should never have been pursued on that small lake in the first place. I'm sure it makes no difference to the public that the boat wash and heavy traffic and 40 boats exceeding the speed limit that they live with all year is A-OK because some money is going to a charity.

I dont understand how the organizer was collecting entry fees and having people making hotel reservations when they didnt even have final permission to hold the event.

Given that the speed limit is 45 mph , how much of an increase would an astute person guess they might get, 70mph???

Who wants to go on a poker run with that limit? Especially knowing you had to fight for it all summer. As if the police werent going to be all over everyone all day.

Venue should have been abandon after the first negative letter.

This topic is putting a spotlight on the topic and is precedent setting in NY.

Bad business.

The lake is not "small." It is 32 miles long and the course would have covered about 70 miles, which is about average for all the poker runs I have been on. The lake is somewhat narrow so that is why there were going to be groups of 20-25 boats. When we ran this 2 years ago speeds got up to about 60 behind a pace boat, but I would say it was more fun than runs when you can run wide open because you are running side by side with 20 other boats. When you have boats running balls to the wall, everyone gets spread out. Don't get me wrong, I like wringing the boat out sometimes, but I, nor anyone else complained 2 years ago when we had the pace boat led run. BTW, 2 years ago at this run, not one boat got in trouble with the police because of how everything was thought out. It was going to be the same or better this year.

 

[Ratickle]

With all due respect Sean...... Horsefeathers.

I doubt if an event like that (20-30 boats with, at most, $2,000-$5,000 of local spending each, plus a limited number of "out of town "fans")added even $1 million to the local economy.

$6 million sounds like something SBI pulled out of its *ss.


T2x

In this case he's right Rich. The Michigan City Chamber had an independant survey done for their members. Results were 80,000 additional people and $6 million. I'll find it, I've seen it.

 

[Ratickle]

The lake is not "small." It is 32 miles long and the course would have covered about 70 miles, which is about average for all the poker runs I have been on. The lake is somewhat narrow so that is why there were going to be groups of 20-25 boats. When we ran this 2 years ago speeds got up to about 60 behind a pace boat, but I would say it was more fun than runs when you can run wide open because you are running side by side with 20 other boats. When you have boats running balls to the wall, everyone gets spread out. Don't get me wrong, I like wringing the boat out sometimes, but I, nor anyone else complained 2 years ago when we had the pace boat led run. BTW, 2 years ago at this run, not one boat got in trouble with the police because of how everything was thought out. It was going to be the same or better this year.

Thanks, nice to know.

 

[RUNNINTHERIVER]

I think you may be misinterpreting Dave's suggestion. He was not dragging the charity into anything. He was merely suggesting that a charity be designated as a recipient for whatever proceeds might develop..... and, in so doing, quiet the clamor from the opposing forces (sailboaters). Dave has had great success because of his organization's generosity and his credibility. Perhaps your group could learn a thing or three from him. On the other hand, hurling bricks across the border at him might unleash the power of the Oklahoma National Guard, after they get done straightening out Quebec.

T2x

Perhaps our club doesnt need any advice. We give to charity and would match any clubs gift giving anywhere. Our last event with 30 entrants raised 23k.

But this is hijacking someones thread and isnt the issue.

Running 20 boats abreast up a lake that doesnt want you and justifying it by using charity status was the point.

Anyway I've said my piece. As Chris said back a few posts. Boat where you are wanted.

 

[Ratickle]

With all due respect Sean...... Horsefeathers.

I doubt if an event like that (20-30 boats with, at most, $2,000-$5,000 of local spending each, plus a limited number of "out of town "fans")added even $1 million to the local economy.

$6 million sounds like something SBI pulled out of its *ss.


T2x

Here's the newspaper article, I haven't found the Chamber Study yet that is quoted here, but I've seen it.

MICHIGAN CITY - The La Porte County Convention and Visitors Bureau announced Monday that the inaugural 2009 Great Lakes Grand Prix offshore powerboat race injected more than $6 million into the local economy.

A study commissioned by the La Porte County CVB showed that the 80,000-plus spectators who attended the three-day event in early August injected nearly $5 million into the local economy simply through ancillary expenditures like dining and shopping. Add in gaming and lodging revenues and the total rises above $6 million, according to a statement from the bureau.

"We couldn't be happier at the results of this study. The economic impact on Michigan City and La Porte County as a whole is wonderful," La Porte County CVB Executive Director Jack Arnett said. "We knew this event would be huge for the area and we're very glad that assumption was proven through this study."

CVB officials also noted that several out-of-town visitors in the area for the boat race had to secure lodging in Porter and St. Joseph counties in Indiana, and in Berrien County, Mich., as hotel rooms in La Porte County booked full by mid-week. Spectators jammed Washington Park all weekend, causing police to close off traffic on Pine Street between U.S. 12 and Washington Park by 10:30 a.m. Sunday.

"So many of the racers and race officials told us that in all their years in this sport, they've never seen such huge crowds at a first-time event and had never seen so many spectator boats at any event," CVB Sports Development Manager Jason Miller said. "They were really impressed with Michigan City, the people, the facility and race site."

More than 500 spectator boats lined up on the outside of the race course Sunday, lining the back stretch of the course from the Michigan City East Pier Lighthouse to Stop 20.

The La Porte County CVB thanked the Michigan City Parks Department, Michigan City Port Authority, Michigan City Police Department, Michigan City Fire Department and Emergency Management volunteers for their hard work and dedication to the event, as well as Michigan City Mayor Chuck Oberlie and Joe Doyle and the Michigan City Summer Festival Committee.

 

[Tom A.]

Perhaps our club doesnt need any advice. We give to charity and would match any clubs gift giving anywhere. Our last event with 30 entrants raised 23k.

But this is hijacking someones thread and isnt the issue.

Running 20 boats abreast up a lake that doesnt want you and justifying it by using charity status was the point.

Anyway I've said my piece. As Chris said back a few posts. Boat where you are wanted.

Ok, let me pose this to you.
If we do not keep "fighting" for the areas we love to boat in, eventually we will lose all the areas worth boating in. Contrary to what a few extremist groups (they usually being the loudest) would like people to believe, we as a community are welcome and wanted in these areas. We have had and will continue to have issues throughout the US and Canada. In NJ we proved time and time again that there was nothing wrong with what we were doing. All it takes is a couple of people who do not like our sport who have the right connections and things like this happen. They don't need a big file full of evidence to back it up.
In the last few years, there were proposals to put a speed limit on Barnegat Bay. The local yacht clubs were a major force behind this. We as a powerboat club went to the meetings and defended our right to boat safely at speed and explained that the enforcement of existing laws and no-wake zones was already overburdened. A slide show of pictures was then shown of non performance boats, including the yacht club tenders and support boats, running on plane through designated no-wake zones.
As for the comments on the charity, Dave was in no means implying using a charity as an excuse to get what they wanted. The anti-boating groups use underhanded tactics to get what they want and putting a positive backing to what we are doing not only makes us look better but helps worth while organizations. It creates a win/win situation for everyone.

Tom

 

[Otis311]

Dave, I have done this in the past...It wouldnt have changed the LGPC decision. They are a bunch of dickheads that have full power over the lake and dont answer to anyone

 

[Chris]

If 80K people showed up in MI City, they disguised themselves very well.

 

[T2x]

In this case he's right Rich. The Michigan City Chamber had an independant survey done for their members. Results were 80,000 additional people and $6 million. I'll find it, I've seen it.

80,000 people????????????????????????? For an offshore race????????????

In Indiana??????????????????????????

What does the Indy 500 draw according to the same "survey" people....... 6 billion?

Somebody "cooked" those books.

T2x

 

[T2x]

Perhaps our club doesnt need any advice. We give to charity and would match any clubs gift giving anywhere. Our last event with 30 entrants raised 23k.

But this is hijacking someones thread and isnt the issue.

Running 20 boats abreast up a lake that doesnt want you and justifying it by using charity status was the point.

Anyway I've said my piece. As Chris said back a few posts. Boat where you are wanted.

With that said I will alert the Commander of the Oklahoma National Guard that he does not have to figure out where Ontario is...... after he gets out of the Jersey swamps.

T2x

 

[RUNNINTHERIVER]

Ok, let me pose this to you.
If we do not keep "fighting" for the areas we love to boat in, eventually we will lose all the areas worth boating in. Contrary to what a few extremist groups (they usually being the loudest) would like people to believe, we as a community are welcome and wanted in these areas. We have had and will continue to have issues throughout the US and Canada. In NJ we proved time and time again that there was nothing wrong with what we were doing. All it takes is a couple of people who do not like our sport who have the right connections and things like this happen. They don't need a big file full of evidence to back it up.
In the last few years, there were proposals to put a speed limit on Barnegat Bay. The local yacht clubs were a major force behind this. We as a powerboat club went to the meetings and defended our right to boat safely at speed and explained that the enforcement of existing laws and no-wake zones was already overburdened. A slide show of pictures was then shown of non performance boats, including the yacht club tenders and support boats, running on plane through designated no-wake zones.
As for the comments on the charity, Dave was in no means implying using a charity as an excuse to get what they wanted. The anti-boating groups use underhanded tactics to get what they want and putting a positive backing to what we are doing not only makes us look better but helps worth while organizations. It creates a win/win situation for everyone.

Tom

Dave, I have done this in the past...It wouldnt have changed the LGPC decision. They are a bunch of dickheads that have full power over the lake and dont answer to anyone

Second point first.

If that is true then why fight to go where you arent wanted or appreciated.

First Point

How old is the 45mph speed limit ? Since it was inflicted on the people that are on the lake all the time, and given the suggestion that the people on the lake have lots of power, one can conclude that they want a 45mph limit for a reason.

They live with it always.

So why go there??

A 70 mile poker run is 2/3 of a typical poker run.

Why not fight a fight you can win.

The organizers knew all this months ago and wasted their efforts.

Who wants to be anywhere uninvited anyway?

The people on that lake arent anti boating, its the kind of boating they have an issue with.

And I go back to my point that the peeps that denied this have a log of reasons for denying the application. They have their ass covered 10 times over to defend their position to those hotels, bars etc. that would challenge them.

 

[Big Time]

I cc'd King Neptune's (the local establishment that went out of their way to put together a nice party for us) on my e-mail sent to the LGPC. This is the response I got:

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Mr. Aitkin:

On behalf of King Neptune’s Pub in Lake George, I want to thank you for copying us on your email to Mr. Young of the Lake George Park Commission. We appreciate you taking the time to so eloquently put into words what I’m sure many people are feeling. It is definitely a loss for businesses in Lake George but more so the participants and the community that would have thoroughly enjoyed seeing the boats.

We were hoping this would be a successful annual event and while we hope this will take place in Lake George in the future, we understand and share your doubt. Should the powers that be see fit to reverse themselves in the years to come, we hope you and your family will try again to visit beautiful Lake George.


Sincerely,

Kevin D. Griswold

Director of Marketing & Sales
King Neptune's Pub · Shoreline Cruises · Shoreline Restaurant
2 Kurosaka Lane
Lake George, NY 12845
(518) 668-4644 or (888) LG-BOATS
Fax: (518) 668-3882
Kevin@kingneptunespub.com | www.kingneptunespub.com
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Not everyone that lives there doesn't want us to come....

 

[Ratickle]

If 80K people showed up in MI City, they disguised themselves very well.

80,000 people????????????????????????? For an offshore race????????????

In Indiana??????????????????????????

What does the Indy 500 draw according to the same "survey" people....... 6 billion?

Somebody "cooked" those books.

T2x

It was an independant study done for the city. Cooked, maybe - don't know why they would though. My guess was 30,000 people at the event watching the actual race though....

Chris, supposedly the new casino tower was sold out????