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Geronimo36
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when did this happen?
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2-3 weeks ago?
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Was making tight turn with 6 on
Just got pics this am to share.
Sean Stinson
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You know this bottom is easily upset at speed if not trimmed right!!!! I have a spin and a crash to my name in this bottom, although I was racing and pushing way past that edge, the normal boater isn't aware of how the hydrodynamics work on this bottom!!!! I really think that something needs to be done as a core group before we have bigger problems down the road!!!! I understand Tres has the school but not everyone takes that course and even after that until a person has been put in different situations sometimes they dont know how to respond!!! IMHO of course
Big Time
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Some boat builder's offer the Tres class when you purchase a new boat (at least they used to). Maybe Cigarrette should do the same to help curb this issue. Of course this does nothing for when a used hull is purchased, but ti might be a start. It's an advanced hull for an advanced driver.
I understand speed was an issue, but was there also a mechanical issue to blame....pics look like the drives/tabs did not stay intact, but that damage could have been during/after the roll.
Scarab KV
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Sean is absolutely right and his opinion is always good with me. As well as I think I know my boat, I've never run that bottom before and would need to learn all over again. Not everyone is willing to acknowledge that during the transformation.
Geronimo36
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I agree with Sean! As they say in racing, you've been over or you're going over, otherwise you're not pushing hard enough. :lurk5:
The classes are great and definitely necessary but they are desined to prevent accidents. Put a person in an actual situation where the boat is about to become unsettled and see how they react. Only a simulator can do that safely so if/when that happens only experience counts and all the studying/teaching in the world wont help it.
In my world we have the same problem with all these Masters/Phd's folks. :seeya:
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Geronimo36
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Somthing to keep in mind. When boats go down they get immersed with water while the power is still on... Strange things happen with trim pumps, switches etc. when submersed.
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BraceYourself
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Now you're on to something. Simulators would be awesome. I'd pay huge bucks to learn the limits of my hull in various conditions. Also would be cool to roll a million dollar cig and just hit reset to put it all back together.
As of now I will continue not to turn my cig with much speed.
As of now I will continue not to turn my cig with much speed.
That's my point. Should have said accident or recovery.
It's not the speed. Stepped boats pitched the occupants and sometimes continued on operator-less and they've barrel-rolled at under 40 mph. Like the one in Europe that looped around and ended up on the rocks. Or the one on Barnegat a couple summers ago- guy was going slow and just heeled around on plane. Had parents/grandparents out for a slow cruise on the bay. Everyone got tossed.
If you're with someone that can show you the edge and what it feels like, you can learn to keep yourself out of trouble. These boats don't "just hook". You can feel the bottom and the steps releasing. You can develop a feel for what you're boat will do and then know in advance. But there's no such thing at "correct settings" That's very much affected by how you're changing the boat's weight and balance. You take on 250 gallons of fuel and 3 more passengers, you just added 2,000 lbs of weight and moved the boats center of gravity. That's going to affect how the bottom holds the water.
Now, under race conditions in sloppy water and high speed, that's a different story. You can hook a straigh-bottomed boat with enough effort and the wrong settings.
In the end, a step boat just can't be oerated like a straight-bottomed boat. And the animal in there waiting to jump out and bite you hard is the event that happens in an instant. Running in close proximity to hazards or not knowing the water- that jetski that darts between the two anchored boats you're passing, or that shoal that you didn't know about and just caught sight of... those scenarios really don't give you time to make proper adjustments and apply steering techniques. Those are jerk-the-wheel events. And the only way to make sure you don't end up in a catastrophe is to avoid the situation. Step boats aren't a free lunch. That extra speed comes with a price- sometimes a big one.
If you're with someone that can show you the edge and what it feels like, you can learn to keep yourself out of trouble. These boats don't "just hook". You can feel the bottom and the steps releasing. You can develop a feel for what you're boat will do and then know in advance. But there's no such thing at "correct settings" That's very much affected by how you're changing the boat's weight and balance. You take on 250 gallons of fuel and 3 more passengers, you just added 2,000 lbs of weight and moved the boats center of gravity. That's going to affect how the bottom holds the water.
Now, under race conditions in sloppy water and high speed, that's a different story. You can hook a straigh-bottomed boat with enough effort and the wrong settings.
In the end, a step boat just can't be oerated like a straight-bottomed boat. And the animal in there waiting to jump out and bite you hard is the event that happens in an instant. Running in close proximity to hazards or not knowing the water- that jetski that darts between the two anchored boats you're passing, or that shoal that you didn't know about and just caught sight of... those scenarios really don't give you time to make proper adjustments and apply steering techniques. Those are jerk-the-wheel events. And the only way to make sure you don't end up in a catastrophe is to avoid the situation. Step boats aren't a free lunch. That extra speed comes with a price- sometimes a big one.
PARADOX
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Here's is just my .02 in this topic.
I did some experimental testing and runs on a step bottom, back in the mid 90's. (7" + single step and Blackhawks)
I would put up a sticky or a general info note in the safety section for everyone to read.
" Even after any schooling/classes, the boat owner/driver should go out and experiment what the boat/hull and see what it does in different conditions. Getting used to the hull reaction in different speeds and sea conditions is pricless. Even with my "Old School" Avanti hull, I took a day of experimenting, slow turns, fast turns, going over mine and other boat's wake, smooth seas, chopy chit seas, untill I knew what I and the boat can handle and react before my first Poker Run. (in a wide open area, no boats, no group events)
Finding out durinig an even with many boats around is no place to find out that the hull gets loose with a nice turn while to much "air" is under the steps due to disturbed or already turbulent waters. Experiment, learn. There is no substitude for experience and knowing your boat/hull. Trim tab positions and what to do when there is a little "slide". A "panic" throttle down is not always the answer. "
It's like driving in snow. Each car is different in handlng and experience will get you out of trouble.
FYI.... for what it's worth.
I did some experimental testing and runs on a step bottom, back in the mid 90's. (7" + single step and Blackhawks)
I would put up a sticky or a general info note in the safety section for everyone to read.
" Even after any schooling/classes, the boat owner/driver should go out and experiment what the boat/hull and see what it does in different conditions. Getting used to the hull reaction in different speeds and sea conditions is pricless. Even with my "Old School" Avanti hull, I took a day of experimenting, slow turns, fast turns, going over mine and other boat's wake, smooth seas, chopy chit seas, untill I knew what I and the boat can handle and react before my first Poker Run. (in a wide open area, no boats, no group events)
Finding out durinig an even with many boats around is no place to find out that the hull gets loose with a nice turn while to much "air" is under the steps due to disturbed or already turbulent waters. Experiment, learn. There is no substitude for experience and knowing your boat/hull. Trim tab positions and what to do when there is a little "slide". A "panic" throttle down is not always the answer. "
It's like driving in snow. Each car is different in handlng and experience will get you out of trouble.
FYI.... for what it's worth.
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