Pics of Cig Rollover in Texas

[Coolerman]

I hope every one is okay after that accident!

As far as the bottom goes, I don't think the spinouts have as much to do with the steps as they do with the large turned-down chines in the last section of the boat (specifically this 39TG twin step). Big turned-down chines can make a boat unfriendly in quick manuevers. The turned-down chines are faster, but they can be a handful to drive.

 

[Geronimo36]

For the simulator to be truly realistic, there would have to be a gas pump that required half a grand before the sim started, you'd have to wash it for 4 hours before using, it would break 10 minutes into the session and have to be towed somewhere and you'd have to spend that second half a grand on having a $20 part installed on a Saturday.

Hey, It might actually come out cheaper in the long run! At least the screming girls are programmed into the CPU unlike some of the other "paid" talent we see around! :rofl::rofl:

 

[ufix1]

Fakkin ****!!

 

[jhenrie]

Here are the guys that can do it ! You supply the video and they will make the motion code and they have the seating !!! Watched a movie of a rollercoaster sitting in one og these theatre seats , AWESOME !!!

http://www.d-box.com/en.htm

And there are a couple flight sims that are compatible for the pilot out there !!

Now that would be cool! If anyone has been to MGM or Disney and rode on the Simpsons and Soarin rides, they know sensations can be simulated!



And the DOT, TSB, JD Power, Independent Organizations, and a host of other entities had a lot to say about it....:ack2:

Bottom line, they solved the problem. They did't tell the owners to take a driving course or "that's just the nature of the car" (insert step bottom). :lurk5:

 

[JupiterSunsation]

A closer comparison would be that between a Corvette and an early Porsche 930 Turbo. The vette was somewhat neutral to understeering- like most sports performance cars. The Porsche was a$$ heavy and had twitchy power. It took just the wrong amount of pedal pressure in a turn to get into the boost and you were spinning like a top. When they first got here, a huge percentage of them were crashed backwards. Simply put, people got into them and assumed thy's drive like everything else they'd ever driven- which couldn't have been any further from reality.

the other thing on early 911's (trailing throttle oversteer I believe is the term) is braking hard in a corner is a no-no, hard throttle will get you out of a jam better than hard brakes.

 

[JupiterSunsation]

Not to put too fine a point on the Porsche issue or hijack the thread. The early 930's were as you say rear heavy and twitchy. Many spun simply because the drivers backed off the gas. Happily this charactaristic has been worked out of the evolutions of the 911 series.

Not really. Jeremy from Top Gear crashed a GT3 on the show after explaining that they were twitchy back in the day.

about 50 seconds in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVpcVMBqzCs

 

[phragle]

the other thing on early 911's (trailing throttle oversteer I believe is the term) is braking hard in a corner is a no-no, hard throttle will get you out of a jam better than hard brakes.

Ever driven an offroad car with decent power??, the steering whell intiates the turn, the gas peddle does the rest.

 

[2112]

I hope every one is okay after that accident!

As far as the bottom goes, I don't think the spinouts have as much to do with the steps as they do with the large turned-down chines in the last section of the boat (specifically this 39TG twin step). Big turned-down chines can make a boat unfriendly in quick manuevers. The turned-down chines are faster, but they can be a handful to drive.

I would have thought the reverse chine would grab in a slide if it was too much in the aerated water aka; "marbles".
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[Coolerman]

I would have thought the reverse chine would grab in a slide if it was too much in the aerated water aka; "marbles".
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the the turned-down chine enages much more water in a turn (greater angle of attack) creating a lot more lift. EX- doing a left turn, the port chine grabs/enages a bunch of water creating lift on that side (port) of the boat and sends that side (port) of the boat high, and then you end up dumping over......

A wider, but flatter chine will create a good amount of lift in a straight line, but will be more forgiving in a turn as the angle of attack of the chine is much much less drastic than one that is turned-down

Also, some Donzi's I've seen have turned-down chines. Just had a 43' Donzi here in MN hook and eject all of its occupants a few weeks ago.

I will agree that the aerated water from a stepped hull will be more likely to spinout than a non stepped hull, but I think in the case of the Cigs it has more to do with the turned-down chines.

 

[TrippM]

Not really. Jeremy from Top Gear crashed a GT3 on the show after explaining that they were twitchy back in the day.

about 50 seconds in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVpcVMBqzCs

Yes, I believe everyone agrees they were twitchy. My point was backing off caused a great deal of the crashes.

 

[ProMod]

Yes, I believe everyone agrees they were twitchy. My point was backing off caused a great deal of the crashes.

I never owned an older 911 but on both my mid engine cars F-512TR as well as my SV rear wheel drive Lamborghini Diablo you have to stay on gas as well as brakes through turns or its spin city when the chassis un loads.

The same is true with certain step hulls even at 40 mph as it is not always the case and I am not an expert.
However many of us get in trouble when we pull back on the throttles while turning.
Tres Martin put us on the edge at speed in his stepped Gladiator and stressed the importance of powering through the turns and having the proper trim settings.
Hope every one is ok, to much of this lately!

 

[Steve Miklos]

Not to put too fine a point on the Porsche issue or hijack the thread. The early 930's were as you say rear heavy and twitchy. Many spun simply because the drivers backed off the gas when they reached the limit, a normal reaction in a traditional front engined car but disaster in a rear engined machine of the day. Happily this charactaristic has been worked out of the evolutions of the 911 series.

Yep!, I have an older RUFcar never let off. My 550 I can do most anything and it seems to come out of the other side of the corner.
Steve

 

[Steve Miklos]

Trim Pump?

Has anyone here ever had a trim pump stick? I certainly have. The switch or solenoid can stick. They are not aerospace grade stuff by any means. I do not know if anyone has looked at it but to me this and the 36 Skater that wrecked both could have had a trim pump stick.
Steve

 

[ProMod]

Has anyone here ever had a trim pump stick? I certainly have. The switch or solenoid can stick. They are not aerospace grade stuff by any means. I do not know if anyone has looked at it but to me this and the 36 Skater that wrecked both could have had a trim pump stick.
Steve

Greg showed us his faulty trim switch that caused Aquamania to almost flip over going into turn 1 at the 08 worlds,very close call.
A bad switch or pump can turn our rigs into a mis guided missile in the right circumstances!

 

[MattBMiller]

That's a shame

 

[Steve Miklos]

Greg showed us his faulty trim switch that caused Aquamania to almost flip over going into turn 1 at the 08 worlds,very close call.
A bad switch or pump can turn our rigs into a mis guided missile in the right circumstances!

It does happen and these units are not high technology or quality. The cig and the skater both have a drive trimmed way out. From what I read the Skater operator had skills. I am not sure on the owner of this boat but I find it hard to believe he had trimmed like that on purpose.
Steve