Wow...almost 12 boats race in Miami!

Welcome to the board John and Steve David!
Everybody needs to take a deep breath here and look at the overall picture. We are all playing, to some degree, in a sport that is very dangerous. We also are very passionate about it. We need innovative people to stay on the cutting edge to keep things interesting, we need stand up people to properly represent the sport and we need to keep safety as a top priority. I believe that exists in everyone here. We are all guilty (myself included) of posting thoughts that are a bit too edgy or premature in surmising something and we need to be aware of that both before we post and while reading someone's post. People get heated over safety because they care. We are all a tight knit family....dysfunctional sometimes, but still family!
 
I think the bottom line in all of this is nobody here wants to see anymore catastrophic failures!!!! So with this being said everyone really needs to be on the same page as Rich said when it comes to cockpit safety features..... John and I have talked about these features as well.....So through all of this debating I think we can agree that from past racing failures and deaths somewhere has to lie a common ground for safely constructing a piece that will efficiently work to keep our stupid dumb ass's alive!!! Because I don't care who you are or what you have done or accomplished as far as racing is concerned all of us has pulled a bonehead move at some point in time or another!!!!!
 
Thank you to everyone, I really appreciate it. I look at it pretty simply, if I don't stand up and do the right things in my life will my daughters to the right thing in theirs when their opportunity comes? Problems quickly become challenges with great reward if you just look at them the right way.

Best,

jc
 
Thank you to everyone, I really appreciate it. I look at it pretty simply, if I don't stand up and do the right things in my life will my daughters to the right thing in theirs when their opportunity comes? Problems quickly become challenges with great reward if you just look at them the right way.

Best,

jc

Amen!!!

Based on your way of thinking I will seriously consider buying one of your boats if I ever find myself in that position! :)

Frank
 
John, welcome to the board. I admire your statement. racing is experimentation. failures happen from time to time, equipment fails, operators fail, designs fail, it's the nature of the beast. what matters is what happens afterwards. If lessons are learned and changes happen, whatever went wrong is no longer a failure but a stepping stone to something better. Not that my opinion means anything, but the man who steps up immediately and makes it right is good in my book.

Ditto the sentiment....

John (Mystic) it's a pleasure to have you on the board, your boats are quite honestly the best looking race boats that I have had to pleasure of watching in action....

They have a style and grace of their own that beats all of the rest hands down....IMHO

Seeing "JBS" running in their first race down at LOTO last fall was a site to see how effortlessly it ran the course and the Bud Light boat was beautiful as always.

It's easy to see why the top teams in offshore racing gravitate toward your boats. They are of the highest quality in design and engineering and from everything I've ever read you back up your product with actions not words when something needs to be addressed which is a very refreshing sight these days....

Keep up the fantastic work and stop by more often to share some of your stories about your boats, I'm sure all of us would love to hear them....
 
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Thank you to everyone, I really appreciate it. I look at it pretty simply, if I don't stand up and do the right things in my life will my daughters to the right thing in theirs when their opportunity comes? Problems quickly become challenges with great reward if you just look at them the right way.

Best,

jc

Great post. Welcome to the forum.
May the rewards be great and the challenges small.
 
Since there is a patent on this by Adrian could you design off his platform or is he the only one that can until the patent expires or you change it enough that his patent doesn't apply?

I don't know about a patent, but in this case he managed to patent old wine in a new bottle. Frankly, since this is displacement technology, it has an inherent speed restriction and will consume greater horsepower per mph than a full planing hull.

It holds no appeal to me personally except as a slow speed catamaran feature.

T2x
 
Well we apparently have gotten a few people's attention and the powers that be in racing are suddenly scrambling to focus on cockpit safety......

If a hammer is what it takes....I'll gladly wield it.

There are a number of issues around safety and the competition model of Offshore racing that are buried in Marketing, publicity, and fawning hangers on. If any of this ****es someone off.....enough to re assess...and make constructive changes that's a good thing.

Let me also say that there is no need to apologise for me, praise anyone else, or try to soothe feelings IMHO. This is about saving lives in boats that are going much faster than their safety systems may tolerate. While there may be no one to blame.......... there is also very little reason for celebration either, other than the joyous realization that last weekend's crewmen survived.

T2x
 
Mystic.... thank you for being straight and honest your boats are beautiful..... remember everyone in any endever where you push technology to a new threshold failures can happen this is true in medical, aircraft,F1 even NASA is not immune to minor issues rapidly becoming a major malfunction, the secret is too learn and use that knowledge to improve and make it a safer sport for all of us....i give you an A plus to even come on a message board and quench the fires.... its way out of the norm and truthfully i am shocked maybe T2 could write a list of what many other manufactures would have told the customer!
 
I worked John at Gentry Transatlantic. I can tell you firsthand that he is 100% aboveboard, and as smart as they come. He was the upside-down pedaler with a scuba tank in the human powered submarine races when he was in college. Good stones..... He says it, I'll back it up.
 
JBS Racing OSO Miami Race Press Release......

Here's a shot of JBS on their last lap. Coming out of the turn about 200 yds before the start/finish line. Easy to see what is getting ready to happen.

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It was great offshore water- made for better pix. The set is here.
First, Team JBS Racing piloted by Jeff Stevenson Driver/Owner, Throttled by Joe Skrocki, and the entire JBS Crew, would like to apologize for our delayed response surrounding the APBA/SBI Miami Offshore Race. For those that are not aware; Team JBS Racing only had a half of a lap remaining to complete and win the race with a substantial lead over second place. Some even thought JBS Racing had won the race. Unfortunately this was not the case. Team JBS Racing made a TEAM decision to stop. This was due to the boat rapidly taking on water and resulting in the partial sinking of the boat. We did not crash unexpectedly. We never took a hit that did more damage than a previous wave and or lap. We never were in fear for our safety as all the events that took place were very calculated as a TEAM. We understood there would be many questions afterward from every angle. What we did count on was the rate at which they were going to be asked.*

Unlike any other offshore race team in the world, Team JBS Racing has some amazing resources that are unrivaled in Offshore Powerboat Racing. This is partly due to Unlimited Offshore Racing having no rules in place limiting the team's capabilities. JBS Racing has the unique opportunity of having an onboard data acquisition telemetry system. Turbine Marine, who built the engines and rigged the boat, are analyzing all vital parameters real-time as we are running and/or racing. Our crew was in various strategic points on the race course, one of them being from a high point where the complete course could be viewed. This allowed Team JBS Racing to have complete verbal communication with all of those points as well as with the boat at all times. It also allowed complete video to be recorded and monitored to insure the external elements of the boat were monitored at all times. This system allowed complete data communication as one person viewed the boat's parameters and another to interpret events. There are over 10 video recorders in very well placed areas in the boat recording vitals such as drive shafts, oil levels, and 360 degree views of the boat externally and internally.

To the point; There was a slight amount of cosmetic damage the boat sustained in the first 3 laps while Team JBS Racing took the lead and held it. In fact, the cosmetic damage was much less than it sustained in the Key West World Championships in November 2008. We then lowered the pace as every other race boat did in an attrition type of race condition. The damage did not increase at any alarming rate as the high power hi definition cameras were recording real-time at all points. The only exception was at one point during the race we agreed to pick the speed back up for data acquisition purposes ONLY. As in anything, but more true when speaking of racing, hind sight is 20/20. Our hind sight...We slowed in the corners too much to insure the win. As low as 40 mph at times around the corners to give the Super V’s more than extra room to complete their battle. This placed higher loads on the non-running surface where the effected area was located. The area was completely cosmetic until coming back toward shore and passing the start/finish line. At that point we got the first report that the area was now on the running surface. After slowing even further, there was still no water intrusion into the boat. Water intrusion occurred after start/finish line and took under 5 seconds from breach for the boat to fill with water. Jeff and Joe remained calm as both turbines were kept running as they are good water pumps. As the water level increased on the starboard side, the engine was shutdown manually and allowed to free spool to a complete stop. The port remained running and completely free of any water. Jeff shutdown the port side manually, as Joe was in the bilge manually pumping water and assessing the damage to both hull and engines. Jeff could feel the boat taking on more water and pulling too hard to continue running the port engine. The port engine also freely and completely spooled to a stop.

Safety patrol and David DiPetrillo, who we also consider a direct part of Team JBS Racing, were right there as well as multiple tow services. This is not the only time Team JBS has had experience preventing a boat from sinking, or recovering a boat off the bottom ourselves. At the 2005 Miami Offshore Race the JBS Racing Super-V sank to the point the drives were touching the bottom while Joe and Jeff were still in it. The circumstances could not have been more alike surrounding the tow companies. Fortunately, Joe and Jeff were able to jump on the boat owned and operated by the owner of Offshoreonly, Steve Schuble. Joe, using the tanks from the safety divers and working with Steve, had many failed attempts at righting the upside-down Super-V due to inadequate tow ropes and equipment. Many tow companies were surrounding the vessel like vultures. Jeff, as the owner of the Super-V, gave Schuble*the authority to broker a deal to get the boat back to the crane and out of the water at a set price. Many came and went as only one company agreed to a set price, and that IT WAS NOT A SALVAGE JOB though the races were long over at this point. During the race, the racing organization has a permit from the US Coast Guard and it becomes their territory. Team JBS Racing has been there and done that! The JBS Mystic was on the hot race course and was connected to a tow company vessel using JBS equipment that was connected by Joe. The tow company did not want the Mystic connected in the configuration that ultimately saved the boat from sinking completely. The tow company was convinced the JBS boat would sink them. Entering the cut, after serious progress had been made, the tow company wanted to let the boat sink and return later when there was less chance of sinking their own boat. They did not want the US Coast Guard involved stating, "They would roll the boat and sink everyone if they followed the well thought out plan JBS Racing had given". The USCG Captain agreed with the JBS Racing plan.*

To say the least, the deal from the towing company changed once the boat was on the trailer, citing circumstances labeling it a salvage. All issues surrounding the tow were addressed on shore with key witnesses present. The bill was paid in full by JBS Racing. The only reason being, Team JBS Racing, is not out of the 2009 National Championship Races yet!*

You know how Team JBS Racing rolls....Bigger, Better, Faster!

A special thanks to ALL the race teams present, as everyone came together and really made it happen for Team JBS Racing!
 
At this point there was still NO water intrusion. This turn's apex was taken at under 40mph(data fact). This was due to the previous lap where the issue propagated onto the side of the boat from the V under the 121.

Team JBS Racing is a VERY calculated team! From inside the boat to the people comprise in our core crew. My Crew Chief , Jason Borys, has been with me for over 15 years of professional racing disciplines. As Brian Reeves has been with Jeff for a good many years as well. The amalgamation of the 4 of us in 2003 could not have worked out to be better. We have grown as a TEAM and as individuals.

"Winning a race is a small part of a team’s success. How they won may make a good story, but how they lost may be an even better story. Their efforts and sacrifices, their turmoil and peril, and their wins and losses, and the magnitude of each of these elements will always define a team’s success and their level of commitment. As with any great success story, the JBS Racing story is fueled with imagination and driven by inspiration." said, Joe Skrocki 2004

Anyone building a NEW boat or a RE-fit I am available for consulting in regards to safety. I have been in many unfortunate racing events and that other racers should benefit from!
 
I don't know about a patent, but in this case he managed to patent old wine in a new bottle. Frankly, since this is displacement technology, it has an inherent speed restriction and will consume greater horsepower per mph than a full planing hull.

It holds no appeal to me personally except as a slow speed catamaran feature.

T2x

Rich,

90 mph, with diesels, Arnesons, in 6 footers! It appeals to me I like your thinking on safety and I feel the same as you for Carbon Fiber. What would the industry standards cost to do a lay-up schedule for a 40 footer straight V, 2 or 4 person safety cockpit?
 
JBS thanks for the inside info i am sure you will come back with an even more beautiful rig you guys are first class! now what our sport needs is about a 36 mystic class to promote engine technology we really need something to liven this sport up how many toyota V8 nascar engines can you stick in a 36? sorry to not prefer turbines but i as do many fans love the sound of pistons pounding away!we pay to see and hear an F1 engine scream or NHRA vibrate our bones put turbines in to replace the pistons and the stands would be empty i really would love to see our sport take off! promoting a high tech engine class with the same no rules other than safety should be looked into
 
Boostbros and Knot4 Me. Thank you for your inquiry on piston V turbine in Unlimiteds. That issue is always present and will be for a while. I stared with Allisons (1710 cubic inch on alcohol twin turbos) at about 2,500 HP. We then switched to Merlins at 1,650 CI, with Blower and about the same HP as the Allison, just more accel from lower RPM and a TON noisier with the Rolls Royce Merlins :).
We generally moved away from piston to turbine due to reliability and the scarcity of the aircraft engines. Actually cost for almost 20 years was pretty low with the turbines. That's changed with the increas in turbine use among HP pleasure boaters and now offshore.
Turbine power has also closed the competition gap where the top 6 boats all qualify within 1.5 seconds of one another. In the piston era, there were two pretty close and then a large dropoff. Market research by two different Universities indicate the target audience (18-55) likes the turbines, find them leading edge etc. Many of this group never saw the piston boats and thus have no reference. The older audience (which sadly now includes me at my age....) likes the noise and would prefer a switch back to piston power.
The fan counts have increased over the past few years, although race count has decreased due to the high cost of staging an event. Madison has been averaging in excess of 45,000, Seattle in excess of 200,000, Detroit hard to say because of the geographic viewing area, but estimated by the City of Detroit to exceed 100,000.
Appreciate your guys prior support and hope you get the chance to visit at one of our races. I'll be happy to get you pit passes.
Chris: Thanks for the compliment. However, I am reminded quite often that I'm one driving decision or race away from being stupid...again :)
Glad to see that Geico is using the talent of Dave Vilwock on their set up. Dave's an outstanding engineer and racer and a huge benefit to any team he associates with.

Take care,
Steve
 
First, Team JBS Racing piloted by Jeff Stevenson Driver/Owner, Throttled by Joe Skrocki, and the entire JBS Crew, would like to apologize for our delayed response surrounding the APBA/SBI Miami Offshore Race. For those that are not aware; Team JBS Racing only had a half of a lap remaining to complete and win the race with a substantial lead over second place. Some even thought JBS Racing had won the race. Unfortunately this was not the case. Team JBS Racing made a TEAM decision to stop. This was due to the boat rapidly taking on water and resulting in the partial sinking of the boat. We did not crash unexpectedly. We never took a hit that did more damage than a previous wave and or lap. We never were in fear for our safety as all the events that took place were very calculated as a TEAM. We understood there would be many questions afterward from every angle. What we did count on was the rate at which they were going to be asked.*

Unlike any other offshore race team in the world, Team JBS Racing has some amazing resources that are unrivaled in Offshore Powerboat Racing. This is partly due to Unlimited Offshore Racing having no rules in place limiting the team's capabilities. JBS Racing has the unique opportunity of having an onboard data acquisition telemetry system. Turbine Marine, who built the engines and rigged the boat, are analyzing all vital parameters real-time as we are running and/or racing. Our crew was in various strategic points on the race course, one of them being from a high point where the complete course could be viewed. This allowed Team JBS Racing to have complete verbal communication with all of those points as well as with the boat at all times. It also allowed complete video to be recorded and monitored to insure the external elements of the boat were monitored at all times. This system allowed complete data communication as one person viewed the boat's parameters and another to interpret events. There are over 10 video recorders in very well placed areas in the boat recording vitals such as drive shafts, oil levels, and 360 degree views of the boat externally and internally.

To the point; There was a slight amount of cosmetic damage the boat sustained in the first 3 laps while Team JBS Racing took the lead and held it. In fact, the cosmetic damage was much less than it sustained in the Key West World Championships in November 2008. We then lowered the pace as every other race boat did in an attrition type of race condition. The damage did not increase at any alarming rate as the high power hi definition cameras were recording real-time at all points. The only exception was at one point during the race we agreed to pick the speed back up for data acquisition purposes ONLY. As in anything, but more true when speaking of racing, hind sight is 20/20. Our hind sight...We slowed in the corners too much to insure the win. As low as 40 mph at times around the corners to give the Super V’s more than extra room to complete their battle. This placed higher loads on the non-running surface where the effected area was located. The area was completely cosmetic until coming back toward shore and passing the start/finish line. At that point we got the first report that the area was now on the running surface. After slowing even further, there was still no water intrusion into the boat. Water intrusion occurred after start/finish line and took under 5 seconds from breach for the boat to fill with water. Jeff and Joe remained calm as both turbines were kept running as they are good water pumps. As the water level increased on the starboard side, the engine was shutdown manually and allowed to free spool to a complete stop. The port remained running and completely free of any water. Jeff shutdown the port side manually, as Joe was in the bilge manually pumping water and assessing the damage to both hull and engines. Jeff could feel the boat taking on more water and pulling too hard to continue running the port engine. The port engine also freely and completely spooled to a stop.

Safety patrol and David DiPetrillo, who we also consider a direct part of Team JBS Racing, were right there as well as multiple tow services. This is not the only time Team JBS has had experience preventing a boat from sinking, or recovering a boat off the bottom ourselves. At the 2005 Miami Offshore Race the JBS Racing Super-V sank to the point the drives were touching the bottom while Joe and Jeff were still in it. The circumstances could not have been more alike surrounding the tow companies. Fortunately, Joe and Jeff were able to jump on the boat owned and operated by the owner of Offshoreonly, Steve Schuble. Joe, using the tanks from the safety divers and working with Steve, had many failed attempts at righting the upside-down Super-V due to inadequate tow ropes and equipment. Many tow companies were surrounding the vessel like vultures. Jeff, as the owner of the Super-V, gave Schuble*the authority to broker a deal to get the boat back to the crane and out of the water at a set price. Many came and went as only one company agreed to a set price, and that IT WAS NOT A SALVAGE JOB though the races were long over at this point. During the race, the racing organization has a permit from the US Coast Guard and it becomes their territory. Team JBS Racing has been there and done that! The JBS Mystic was on the hot race course and was connected to a tow company vessel using JBS equipment that was connected by Joe. The tow company did not want the Mystic connected in the configuration that ultimately saved the boat from sinking completely. The tow company was convinced the JBS boat would sink them. Entering the cut, after serious progress had been made, the tow company wanted to let the boat sink and return later when there was less chance of sinking their own boat. They did not want the US Coast Guard involved stating, "They would roll the boat and sink everyone if they followed the well thought out plan JBS Racing had given". The USCG Captain agreed with the JBS Racing plan.*

To say the least, the deal from the towing company changed once the boat was on the trailer, citing circumstances labeling it a salvage. All issues surrounding the tow were addressed on shore with key witnesses present. The bill was paid in full by JBS Racing. The only reason being, Team JBS Racing, is not out of the 2009 National Championship Races yet!*

You know how Team JBS Racing rolls....Bigger, Better, Faster!

A special thanks to ALL the race teams present, as everyone came together and really made it happen for Team JBS Racing!



i just don't get it ??
Cosker's going to build jbs a new boat cause they knowing keep running a damaged boat for several laps until it starting sinking??? i feel for cosker, all this could have been avoided if some more common sense was used. jbs's desire to win every race has cost them plenty and finally it has gone to the point of actually loosing the boat. people need to check their EGO'S at the door. why do you think nascar drivers come in all the time when they feel a tire going down?? caus ethey don't like the taste of concrete barriers at 180 mph.

and if you read all the posts, somewhere in there it states the rigger (what's that guys name agian) cut holes to run wires???? in a boat thats built to the extreme edge of weight to strenght ratio, you gotta wonder sometimes when these riggers cut threw bulkheads just to have a straight run for their wire looms?
 
Allison V-12
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Piston Boat
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The oldest trophy in Motorsports
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I hope to get to Doha, in NOV to shoot the Hydros!
 
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