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What will become of Class 1
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Dunbar 104
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So will they race in Extreme or, another new 2-3 boat class?
DAREDEVIL
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Well, if they all come over they can have class 1 here in the states.......
US RACING !!!!!!!!!! america move's forward ...lol :cheers2:
skaterdave
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Pete's asking about Class 1 over there (Middle East & Europe). what are they going to do since their loosing Qatar (probably the most two competitve boats other than Victory)?
i noticed Victory was running a 3rd boat at the last race. with all the canopy modification who knows who's going to be ready?
i noticed the X-cat site has been off line and going by GB Racing's website the X-cats are pushing back races. possible due to the canopy changes?
i'm not a 100% sure, but i think the C1 guys need a minimal amount of boats to field those races by contract? the unknown is Maritimo. rumor has it they sold one of their boats which is going to be raced out of Norway. will Maritimo build another boat? and what will they do with the other one? IMO their probably using this to their advantage and also if they stay with Class 1 they might have a good shot at the title, that is if they can level the playing field agianst Victory. but then agian there's a reason why Qatar is here.
I'm more puzzled about racing here in the states. OPA has locked in great race sites, TV and series sponsor- AKA- GEICO. no offense to OSS but you guys really had limited options, so partnering with SBI, wasn't really a shocker for me. is it a good move, of course, but one out of necessity more than anything else. just would have made more sense for all 3 of the orgs to work together but maybe later.
now Dunbar if your referring to Qatar coming over here and running agianst themselve, not so much. agian there's alot of work be done and hopefully i think we'll see a combination of the 750,850 and C1 boats, some how.
Sean H
Charter Member
Victory ran 3 boats most of the season. Maritimo ran two until they wrecked the 12 boat and sold it to Welmax. Maritimo (among others) is undergoing canopy upgrades in Dubai right now. There are some new euro C1 teams, so it will be interesting to see who shows up in Brazil for the opener.
As far as racing here, the 750/850/C1 should be interesting, I don't know what you can do to the Qatar boat to even give a 750 boat a chance. I am sure it will be a hodge podge of racing, sounds like nobody is going to run a full series, just pick a handful of race sites. Only a few months away from racing and there haven't been any rules announced for the class yet to try and get the 3 classes together.
As far as racing here, the 750/850/C1 should be interesting, I don't know what you can do to the Qatar boat to even give a 750 boat a chance. I am sure it will be a hodge podge of racing, sounds like nobody is going to run a full series, just pick a handful of race sites. Only a few months away from racing and there haven't been any rules announced for the class yet to try and get the 3 classes together.
Sean H
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really? we haven't heard from anybody, and we are the about the only 850 team.
skaterdave
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sean i thought you guys sent one of your engines to Innovation for development of the air restrictor?
Sean H
Charter Member
We have offered, no takers. It would be nice to know the setup before race day.
skaterdave
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i think scotty just gave you guys a hint of you need to talk too.
skaterdave
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i'm out of the loop, but i know theres been talk between the other 750's and what its going to take to keep them competive. just not sure, like you said, about what their thinking about C1 boats. since you guys run Mercs already wouldn't just be natural to communicate with Merc for giudance or the engine side. as far as the boat, you all ready did the canopy changes and might just have to add weight to match the C1 guys.
prop/gear situtation seems to be the bigger problem for both you and the 750's. agian you guys should be ahead of the curve if you still have props left over from catlite?
Sean H
Charter Member
Doesn't really matter to us. A lot of talk goes on I am sure, but here we sit. Nothing really new in the world of offshore. Merc has the setup for a true C1 engine, no problem (we basically have that ready to go just need the air restrictor), I don't think that is what the 750 guys want though. I just don't see how you are ever going to bridge the gap from 750 to C1 with just the difference in boats alone, not counting engines. Luckily, the 850's are in the middle of the spread, go faster, go slower, doesn't matter, it would just be nice to know what the rules are going to be. Gears, weight, restrictors, props, etc?
I wouldn't want to race an 850 on a cat lite prop (dramatically more torque and weight), but that isn't really an issue either (and I really doubt we need a 38/40 setup). We probably have what we need, the setup is just going to change and it would be nice to know before/during the rigging what needs to be done rather than afterward.
But this thread is about C1, looks like they have 7 teams right now, maybe 8-9 depending if Victory comes back with 3 and another new team joins in the mix.
I wouldn't want to race an 850 on a cat lite prop (dramatically more torque and weight), but that isn't really an issue either (and I really doubt we need a 38/40 setup). We probably have what we need, the setup is just going to change and it would be nice to know before/during the rigging what needs to be done rather than afterward.
But this thread is about C1, looks like they have 7 teams right now, maybe 8-9 depending if Victory comes back with 3 and another new team joins in the mix.
skaterdave
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do they need 10 boats to put on a "legit" race for C1?
Sean H
Charter Member
I don't know if they have to have 10 or not, that's about all there has ever been (a few years had 11 or 12). I be surprised if that was a requirement. It's not in the rules.
http://thewppa.com/En/Archive/pdf/WPPA_Rulebook_2009-2012.pdf
http://thewppa.com/En/Archive/pdf/WPPA_Rulebook_2009-2012.pdf
MarylandMark
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skaterdave
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i was thinking it was more of a race production 'guideline'.
kinda like when OSS started, said they wouldn't have classes with less than 5 boats, or somethng to that effect to better the racing
Sean H
Charter Member
every Org has had that rule, nobody can afford to enforce it.
C1 may have 10 by brazil actually, I had forgotten about Abu Dhabi.
I would love to have that issue in the states, if a class can have a 10 boat field or not, we get excited if we have more boats than trophies.
skaterdave
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hhhmmmm, i thought it was the other way around?
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