The Great Unification

[Steve Miklos]

Hey Steve

Whats up bro??? I was going to give it a shot but the only thing I can't get everyone to agree on is to disagree on everything!!!! So I am going to politely roll up my quest and watch it all from the sidelines!!!! Hope to see you sometime bro!!!!

Sean

What's up Mr. stinson? It is a tough crowd everone is practicing revisionist history!
Hope all is well!
Steve

 

[smokeybandit]

I hope that all of you realize that if you get rid of this circle racing you eliminate most of these tech issues. The ocean is the great equalizer.

 

[Steve Miklos]

I hope that all of you realize that if you get rid of this circle racing you eliminate most of these tech issues. The ocean is the great equalizer.

That it is! Just hard to promote.

So with that said who's going to Bimini with an SVL?
Steve

 

[Sean Stinson]

sean, now that you have tryed to talk to all the party's at hand and you feel it is unrepairable at this time, please give us your opinion as to why you are throwing in the towel. You have spent lots of time on this project and probualy have the best insite as of today. Thanks for your efforts.
Md

politics

 

[Sean Stinson]

I will be named "The Prince of Negativity" if I answer it correctly but love him or hate him T2x has some infinite wisdom in his words!!!!

I don't know I am frustrated, dissappointed, and for lack of a better term down right phucking mad that something that could be a beautiful global entertainment entity is nothing more than what it has become!!!!!!! Let me cool off for a few days and we will see what I can come up with after regrouping!!!!!

One thing is you guys need to take Rodney King's advice and "Begin to ALL get Along"

The Illustrious One

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

Well I know enough about this subject.
It was my task with the LLC to evaluate how secure our rules and tech procedures were for every engine platform. When the engines were carb it was easier. The injected engines are much easier to hide performance advantages.

Without touching the ECM you can make more power on a 525 several ways.

If you get in the ECM which has happened you have even greater advantages. If you combine that with a fuel program you can easily have a significant advantage.
Steve

Steve, It is clear you and your buddies don't like OSS. I get it. The part I don't understand is why you don't race. Is it cause everyone is a cheater in your eyes? Is it you really don't want to race anyone? Have you ever raced anyone?

Wasn't it your buddy Mike that first said shut up and race?

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

That it is! Just hard to promote.

So with that said who's going to Bimini with an SVL?
Steve

George expressed an interest in running his IMCO boat, But I am already committed to run with Freeze in his Superboat.

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

I hope that all of you realize that if you get rid of this circle racing you eliminate most of these tech issues. The ocean is the great equalizer.

Yes, it would be nice to race longer open runs. Even at sites where you could like KW it is not done.

 

[Steve Miklos]

Steve, It is clear you and your buddies don't like OSS. I get it. The part I don't understand is why you don't race. Is it cause everyone is a cheater in your eyes? Is it you really don't want to race anyone? Have you ever raced anyone?

Wasn't it your buddy Mike that first said shut up and race?

I have actually said I would race OSS as the real people behind the boycott are long gone. The reality is they will not allow the Vortec. If I thought someone was cheating I would just protest them.
Steve

 

[Dunbar 104]

Talk to Randy about the Vortec.

One thing I do like about the euro p1 is the short course one day, and the long course the next.

 

[Ratickle]

Talk to Randy about the Vortec.

One thing I do like about the euro p1 is the short course one day, and the long course the next.

I agree, or alternate short/long with different classes the same day.

Part of the attraction you have is the ability to be up close and personal. And see the race. Look at the difference in attendance, popularity, and exposure in the Daytona 500 vs the Baja 1000.

And the Baja 1000 has a lot more participants.

Does anyone have a figure for how many paid spectators were in attendance at the Worlds this past November?

 

[Mike A.]

Steve I do race with OPA as well. At this point I have no desire or the funds to race with SBI. I thought I just thanked you and Mike for some good times racing in the LLC. Why do you keep kicking me in the nuts when I dont race with SBI. I happen to believe in the OSS model.
Mike as a business man I dont blame you for pulling the plug. If you cant make money at it get out. Dont blame the racers for your failer. You were the CEO of the LLC and there is no one but yourself to point fingers at. Some where you lost touch with the racers and they left. It sucked when it fell apart for me as well. Can we please move on its been years now.
MD

Randy,

I am not pointing fingers at anyone. Just telling the truth. The boycotters left because I "lost touch" with them? Well, that is pretty fruity, but OK, if you say so. Bottom line is that they left, we quit, and the sport died.

 

[smokeybandit]

I agree, or alternate short/long with different classes the same day.

Part of the attraction you have is the ability to be up close and personal. And see the race. Look at the difference in attendance, popularity, and exposure in the Daytona 500 vs the Baja 1000.

And the Baja 1000 has a lot more participants.

Does anyone have a figure for how many paid spectators were in attendance at the Worlds this past November?

Would you take a Baja 1000 vehicle and drive it around in circles at Daytona?

 

[Steve Miklos]

Randy,

I am not pointing fingers at anyone. Just telling the truth. The boycotters left because I "lost touch" with them? Well, that is pretty fruity, but OK, if you say so. Bottom line is that they left, we quit, and the sport died.

Actually at the time the big thing was "How dare you (the LLC) have a profit motive" .

So they (OSS/Mercury Racing) went not for profit (except of course for Mercury Racing). As Scotty pointed out that does not work.

Large corporations understand a profit motive much better than an alleged charity/not for profit group of transient amateur (not making a living at it) racers
Steve


The funny part is that the engine rebuild cost was less with CRE than it is from Mercury Racing..... Go figure

 

[Ted]

Would you take a Baja 1000 vehicle and drive it around in circles at Daytona?

No they do that in stadiums now.

 

[Geronimo36]

I hope that all of you realize that if you get rid of this circle racing you eliminate most of these tech issues. The ocean is the great equalizer.

I like your thinking... I like the idea of limiting cubic inches, compression, blown/not-blown, min/max sizes for classes and let the rest fly... Spec classes invite cheaters and can increase budgets IMHO.

But whatever, it's all good! At least people are still racing!

 

[Geronimo36]

No they do that in stadiums now.

I've been to one, thought it sucked. too slow... BUT, they attract the crowds so I believe both are necessary.

 

[MANITIE]

I tought there were over 100 Vertec's built also...
I talk to Ian and Paul and they are all in about racing...they said in the new 525 Class in OPA They would detune there 625 to meet what ever was agreed to compare to the 525's and Smitty is looking into it....we would like to run the 625 in the new Dragon...and like Smitty says...it will bring in more compitition....I talked to Dave at Inovation a few weeks back and they still have motors there....

There is no reason you could not get someone like Tyler or Frank from Scorpion to dyno and test all engines and make adjustments to make it close as possible to running the same HP and torque....

The one engine, drive combo has been tried.....and while I would think it should have worked...it has not....but again...we all talk about prize money...don't loose site of the other oppertunitys out there for money...like let the 3 engine manufactures compete with each other and let them put up money to have racers used there equipment...who cares if the money comes from prize money or from the engine builders....is money in your pocket....and with that will come support....maybe not putting all your eggs in one basket is the best way to go.....and with the new tech coming out in drive packages...like the Ilmor Daytona, Wiseman, Imco and Mercury....lets open the door to some great companys.....let the #6's, Wisemen and new Daytona get classed in...and the Imco's and Bravos do the same.....

The racers need backing from the equipment we buy....not a monopoly for just company and one Org...if all orgs can get on the same page and open the doors to these other companys then it wil also open the doors to racers to race agasint each other with comperable equipment.....

 

[Sean Stinson]

Randy,

I am not pointing fingers at anyone. Just telling the truth. The boycotters left because I "lost touch" with them? Well, that is pretty fruity, but OK, if you say so. Bottom line is that they left, we quit, and the sport died.

Mike did you get my message the other day?????

 

[Ratickle]

Would you take a Baja 1000 vehicle and drive it around in circles at Daytona?

If they added jumps, canyons, etc like they do for indoor motocross/supercross. It would be a money maker which would get good TV coverage and therefore sponsors. Good idea. :sifone:

NASCAR does a couple of road courses every year. The attendance and ratings are both down for those.