MOBILEMERCMAN
Founding Member / Competitor
Others can strive to match Mercs achievements in product and support. The door is open. Who is going to step up?
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Sean Stinson
Founding Member/Contributor
Weismann certainly has the ability to step up to the challenge (Hi Pat how's everybody?) And he has also been at the forefront of technology.....Rik also has the capability to do the same and he has also been at the forefront as well!!!!
Sean Stinson
Founding Member/Contributor
Build it and they will come!!!!!
imco offshore
Competitor / Charter Member
because the rich super stars build boats that don,t fit in any class ,, they go to any promoter (org) PAY them to start a class for them, then they win all the races they come to ,, if they built a boat to run in an a current class do you think they could win??? not a chance in hell,,, put any super boater in cat 750 or 850 class daaa,,,, how about super cat lite,,,, not a chance ,,, sorry but the big money helped drag it down,, if all those guys would agree and build the same boat, now then there would be a trully super class,
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
I'm not sure they even have to build the exact same boat. But you could certainly do something like the Unlimiteds do to keep the old piston engines and turbines somewhat competitive.
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
I 100% agree with that.
If I was starting a series from scratch, here is what I would do:
I would have 2 premier classes... Super Cat and Super Vee. Engine package to be reasonably affordable. (525's? 750's? 850's?). This would be the show. They would race together. The TV and the promotion would focus on them.
Everyone else would be the support series. For sure, a bracket based series,
such as OPA. In addition, if there was enough boats, SVL and OB Cat could have their own classes, but as support races, not the big show. They would race with the bracket classes.
The problem is how to get there. There has to be some transition period to allow the current teams to change their current equipment to the new regulations. We don't want to push anyone out, we just need to work together towards the solution, whether my suggestion, or someone else's.
From a competition and entertainment standpoint, the more boats in each class, the better. The current situation is ridiculous. ( No offense to any teams). Supercat extreme, supercat lite, supercat 850, supercat 750,
supercat turbine, supercat steam powered. Enough already. Everyone always
wants to be like Nascar. How many classes do they run on Sunday?
I'm pretty sure if Bill Gates showed up at Daytona in February with a rocket powered car, they wouldn't let him race it. Why should we do essentially the same thing?
A stable, reasonably affordable, National Series, would attract teams, put on a good show, look good on TV and offer some competitive (10 boats racing into turn 1) racing.
Just my opinion, mind you, as a fan and class 6 bracket racer (what do I know anyway?)
I would have 2 premier classes... Super Cat and Super Vee. Engine package to be reasonably affordable. (525's? 750's? 850's?). This would be the show. They would race together. The TV and the promotion would focus on them.
Everyone else would be the support series. For sure, a bracket based series,
such as OPA. In addition, if there was enough boats, SVL and OB Cat could have their own classes, but as support races, not the big show. They would race with the bracket classes.
The problem is how to get there. There has to be some transition period to allow the current teams to change their current equipment to the new regulations. We don't want to push anyone out, we just need to work together towards the solution, whether my suggestion, or someone else's.
From a competition and entertainment standpoint, the more boats in each class, the better. The current situation is ridiculous. ( No offense to any teams). Supercat extreme, supercat lite, supercat 850, supercat 750,
supercat turbine, supercat steam powered. Enough already. Everyone always
wants to be like Nascar. How many classes do they run on Sunday?
I'm pretty sure if Bill Gates showed up at Daytona in February with a rocket powered car, they wouldn't let him race it. Why should we do essentially the same thing?
A stable, reasonably affordable, National Series, would attract teams, put on a good show, look good on TV and offer some competitive (10 boats racing into turn 1) racing.
Just my opinion, mind you, as a fan and class 6 bracket racer (what do I know anyway?)
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Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
I still think you need a minimum of four main classes, maybe 5.
The main reason, nothing will ever happen if the plan entails obsoleting 3/4 of the existing boats.
Maybe over a lng term plan, but not a short term cutoff.
And one other thing to remember, the car of the future is what could be the demise of NASCAR's popularity over time. It was popular because it used to be my Chevy against your Ford. Now it's just another race series where they are different in paint only and several sponsors had dropped their support level before the current economic downturn.
The main reason, nothing will ever happen if the plan entails obsoleting 3/4 of the existing boats.
Maybe over a lng term plan, but not a short term cutoff.
And one other thing to remember, the car of the future is what could be the demise of NASCAR's popularity over time. It was popular because it used to be my Chevy against your Ford. Now it's just another race series where they are different in paint only and several sponsors had dropped their support level before the current economic downturn.
I agree, that is why there would have to be some sort of transition period.
I don't agree that the COT has made any difference in NASCAR's popularity,
however.
1waterboy1
Charter Member
shifter
Charter Member
Sean,
Everyone out here is ok......except Rik.....
Hope you liked the ride in Loto. Working on it to make it a little quicker, are you still in to hang on?
"because the rich super stars build boats that don,t fit in any class ,, they go to any promoter (org) PAY them to start a class for them, then they win all the races they come to ,, if they built a boat to run in an a current class do you think they could win??? not a chance in hell,,, put any super boater in cat 750 or 850 class daaa,,,, how about super cat lite,,,, not a chance ,,, sorry but the big money helped drag it down,, if all those guys would agree and build the same boat, now then there would be a trully super class,"
I have been involved for 21 years now in offshore racing. Class 1 is still the best, the only problem is trying to run against Countries (Qatar,UAE) as a little guy....Alcone did well though. That can be done effectively with v8's.
That was where supercat came in.
Supercat was a good formula until the drive bann.
pat W
Everyone out here is ok......except Rik.....
Hope you liked the ride in Loto. Working on it to make it a little quicker, are you still in to hang on?
"because the rich super stars build boats that don,t fit in any class ,, they go to any promoter (org) PAY them to start a class for them, then they win all the races they come to ,, if they built a boat to run in an a current class do you think they could win??? not a chance in hell,,, put any super boater in cat 750 or 850 class daaa,,,, how about super cat lite,,,, not a chance ,,, sorry but the big money helped drag it down,, if all those guys would agree and build the same boat, now then there would be a trully super class,"
I have been involved for 21 years now in offshore racing. Class 1 is still the best, the only problem is trying to run against Countries (Qatar,UAE) as a little guy....Alcone did well though. That can be done effectively with v8's.
That was where supercat came in.
Supercat was a good formula until the drive bann.
pat W
Sean Stinson
Founding Member/Contributor
I'm always in Pat we just scratched the surface of that boats potential the shift needs to happen a little quicker but I am all game!!!!
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
Just go straight next time......:sifone:
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
But even Class 1 is starting to fall because of the economy and the cost. Cat Outboard seems to be picking up currently overseas.
imco offshore
Competitor / Charter Member
your answer to the bill gates ,,, the FRANCES can,t be bought, unlike offshore org,s.
Sean H
Charter Member
I wouldn't go that far. Except for Qatar pouting, Class 1 has Maritimo back, a new boat being built for a Spanish team and Victory running 3 boats now.
You can't judge C1 by boat count alone, it's like F1 in that sense. F1 may only had 19 cars this weekend, but it's still by far the number 1 motorsport in the world.
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
If C1 is the number one boating motorsport in the world, then it's format should be adapted and followed here for a premier class. I just don't see that happening in the short term though.
Sean H
Charter Member
I don't think you will see 10 boats here in a premier class anytime soon. There are too many other optional classes to run in and get your trophy or championship. You wanna run a cat in a mainstream series over there, you basically have two choices, Xcat or C1. That is the model we should shoot for, choice reduction.
Sean H
Charter Member
Think about this, here is a list of most (I am sure I missed somebody) of the canopy cats I can think of that ran in the last year or two.... now imagine if those teams only had two classes to choose from orginally to race in instead of the 8 classes they did race in.
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Reliable
Fury
Jdbyrider
Persucat
warpaint
Talk n trash
wicked
whm
crc (1)
crc (2)
page
d&m
shocker
amsoil
learnin the ropes
peppers
popeyes
mhq finiancial
all jacked up
motley crew
let's play
geico (1)
geico (2)
jbs
aquamania (1)
aquamania (2)
bud light
cintron
superheat
cms
bad moon risin
stihl
miccosukee
fluid sealing products
dvc
you're gonna have that
bull on the beach
28 skater (name?)
Rik
Sponsor / Charter Member
Jim, product support is not hard to provide if demand warranted it. Please remember Craig Colabella used to go to the races with support, Throttle Up did the same and many others have over the years. Will someone follow the circuit for a single customer?
Mercury had a truck there (at the series they wanted to promote) and that truck made $$ for Merc. The power heads, lower units, propellers and such were not free nor were they understood to be so.
We all want to do our part and are willing to do so only if we are given the opportunity to.:bigear:
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