The Day SVL Died

[Wazzup Racing]

You guys crack me up.

I have written a set of rules for the SVL class to compete with OPA for 2011.

Parity will be adressed as well as sealed motors, and unaltered ECU's. All motors will be dynoed and sealed.
Releasing the restriction on the ecu is as good as throwing the class away.
For Orange Beach the rules for 2010 are in place, What was legal for the first race of 2010, is legal for the last race of 2010. I will go through every SVL in Orange Beach myself. Then we will have a little meeting as to who has what.

For 2011, we will take control of the SVL's that run with OPA. Come or not, the free for all is over. How ever, if there are not at least 6 SVL's in Orange Beach, as far as OPA is concerned. The class is out of the books for 2011.
In the beginning of the year OPA made commitments to the class, and the class made commitments to OPA. One of those were Orange Beach. I am holding you to it. Man up or Man out. Your choice. Mr Dunbar, I just had a talk with Wil Smith. Maybe I should build a Phantom just to whip your A@@.
No Fountain SVL in the future for us. Conflict of interest. Boomer will run the 38 with JR next year. On to bigger things. Smitty

 

[Wazzup Racing]

The new class is going to like SBI had Super Vee Limited Unlimited.

Rules are simple Fountain, Blue intake anything else is legal, other than Doc will always win Smitty second, and third will be the biggest A$$ kisser. I think Wahoo has it covered.

I wonder if Smitty, and Ron kissing Docs A$$, and the rumers about Gieco have any connection?

One other thing Mark. If memory serves me correct. Your Boat is the one with an aftermarket block in it, and no seals. That block is not available in a 4.47 bore. It starts out at 4.5. Hence 510 cu in. not 502. Ten cubic inch is ten horse power. Guess the SBI rules fit.

 

[Wil Ros]

Smitty,

All I can say its about time somebody takes control of the class.

Democracy in offshore racing does not work.

Make the rules , inforce them and let the racing start.

Great job!!!!

Wil

 

[Dunbar 104]

One other thing Mark. If memory serves me correct. Your Boat is the one with an aftermarket block in it, and no seals. That block is not available in a 4.47 bore. It starts out at 4.5. Hence 510 cu in. not 502. Ten cubic inch is ten horse power. Guess the SBI rules fit.

Don't know passed thru Mercury, and I have never had the heads off

Refresh my memory why did you quit OSS 2005 wait or was 2006?

 

[MANITIE]

Smitty...glad to see you put a stop to all the BS...
Make the rules and hold them to it...if they show great...if not...be done with it...

 

[Mike A.]

Smitty,

All I can say its about time somebody takes control of the class.

Democracy in offshore racing does not work.

Make the rules , inforce them and let the racing start.

Great job!!!!

Wil

Abso-freakin-lutely!!! I caught terrible grief enforcing parity rules. In fact, it cost me the business in the end, but there is no way to have a successful racing series unless 1) there is a single decision-maker; and 2) that person enforces parity.

I also can vouch for Smitty. He told me months ago that he would honor rules approved by the classic boats but you guys never submitted any. Not his fault.

Smitty, if you want to guarantee the SVL fleet shows up for OB, however, then impose parity on the Fountain NOW - either by putting 500lbs in them or taking revs away. If you need to do more after the first race then do so, but announce the parity move now before it is too late for the 4 or 5 teams who are hanging it up, to get their butts in gear to OB.

Respectfully, I do not think it will work to threaten teams that their class will be deleted from OPA unless they "man up" to get their asses kicked in OB because many of them think the class is dead now anyway. To keep the numbers up, teams have to feel they have a chance to win. (Racers will never admit that publicly, which is another reason a dictator is necessary). Right now, none of the 1990's technology boats can beat the 2010 Fountain.

Good luck to you - I am so glad it ain't me. :bump:

 

[mdkeywest]

You guys crack me up.
No Fountain SVL in the future for us. Conflict of interest. Boomer will run the 38 with JR next year. On to bigger things. Smitty

Thank you for clearing that up.

So " the new SVL" is still one boat correct ?

 

[lucky devil]

Parity will be adressed as well as sealed motors, and unaltered ECU's. All motors will be dynoed and sealed.
Releasing the restriction on the ecu is as good as throwing the class away.

For 2011, we will take control of the SVL's that run with OPA.

That's nice, but it doesn't address the homologation issue;

the fact that a canny competitor will run two ECU's (one your inspector sees and one he doesn't - there's a reason NASCAR has both MSD boxes mounted on the 'dash' of every Cup car...bilges and cockpits are great places to hide things);

and the tech inspection of the prop that actually ran the race instead of one presented an hour after the race.

 

[MANITIE]

That's nice, but it doesn't address the homologation issue;

the fact that a canny competitor will run two ECU's (one your inspector sees and one he doesn't - there's a reason NASCAR has both MSD boxes mounted on the 'dash' of every Cup car...bilges and cockpits are great places to hide things);

and the tech inspection of the prop that actually ran the race instead of one presented an hour after the race.

The prop issue should be easy...the top 4 boats props are turned into a offical at the crane when coming out...

I know people hate this idea everytime I bring it up...but I think if a rule was put in place that if you are caught cheating in any way, hot ecm's, hidden ballest,ect. then that boat is banned from racing in that class...
This way if the owner gets caught there boat is useless for racing and its value is worthless...and also ban both racers and owner of the boat for a year...the penilties today by taking points are nothing...this is not NASCAR..
and you can't fine a team 40k and they will pay...
Do we really need any racer in our sport that dose this...its not like our sport will fall apart without a few bad apples...when it sure will do damage when a team is cheating....

 

[mdkeywest]

The prop issue should be easy...the top 4 boats props are turned into a offical at the crane when coming out...

I know people hate this idea everytime I bring it up...but I think if a rule was put in place that if you are caught cheating in any way, hot ecm's, hidden ballest,ect. then that boat is banned from racing in that class...
This way if the owner gets caught there boat is useless for racing and its value is worthless...and also ban both racers and owner of the boat for a year....

I like this .

It takes the wallet out of the equation .

 

[Dunbar 104]

One other thing Mark. If memory serves me correct. Your Boat is the one with an aftermarket block in it, and no seals. That block is not available in a 4.47 bore. It starts out at 4.5. Hence 510 cu in. not 502. Ten cubic inch is ten horse power. Guess the SBI rules fit.

And to clarify Mr Smitty. I see you have been getting advice for your crack tech guy Ron Polli. My block is not a Merlin as many would like to think. It is just a gm block that was purchased from a chevy dealer, not Mercury. It was built by Inovation, and sealed by Mercury. Sorry... Good tech would have caught that.

Engine builder getting tech from a picture taker. Whats next?

Man Up


So Smitty why did OSS want you to pay back all the prize money?

 

[mdkeywest]

And to clarify Mr Smitty. I see you have been getting advice for your crack tech guy Ron Polli. My block is not a Merlin as many would like to think. It is just a gm block that was purchased from a chevy dealer, not Mercury. It was built by Inovation, and sealed by Mercury. Sorry... Good tech would have caught that.

Engine builder getting tech from a picture taker. Whats next?

Man Up


So Smitty why did OSS want you to pay back all the prize money?

Is this for real ?

 

[Phantom1]

So Smitty why did OSS want you to pay back all the prize money?

Were you involved in offshore at the time? Why don't you ask the OSS leadership that was in place then about it...........if you can find them.

 

[mdkeywest]

I think Typhoon was an original member of OSS back then . You could Ask them .

 

[Mike A.]

As usual, OSS was wrong on Smitty's deal years ago. I know because I handled it.
As for the rest of this, why is it that offshore racers prefer self-destruction over positive growth. The math is not hard here. Let the Fountain race P class, P1, if there is such a thing, or with lots of extra weight or way less revs. BAM! 10 SVL's racing again and everything is headed back in the right direction. Simple, inexpensive. WTF?

 

[Ratickle]

Rat....are coming to OB....

I'll be there.

 

[Ratickle]

You guys crack me up.

I have written a set of rules for the SVL class to compete with OPA for 2011.

Parity will be adressed as well as sealed motors, and unaltered ECU's. All motors will be dynoed and sealed.
Releasing the restriction on the ecu is as good as throwing the class away.
For Orange Beach the rules for 2010 are in place, What was legal for the first race of 2010, is legal for the last race of 2010. I will go through every SVL in Orange Beach myself. Then we will have a little meeting as to who has what.

For 2011, we will take control of the SVL's that run with OPA. Come or not, the free for all is over. How ever, if there are not at least 6 SVL's in Orange Beach, as far as OPA is concerned. The class is out of the books for 2011.
In the beginning of the year OPA made commitments to the class, and the class made commitments to OPA. One of those were Orange Beach. I am holding you to it. Man up or Man out. Your choice. Mr Dunbar, I just had a talk with Wil Smith. Maybe I should build a Phantom just to whip your A@@.
No Fountain SVL in the future for us. Conflict of interest. Boomer will run the 38 with JR next year. On to bigger things. Smitty

Any chance of those rules being posted Smitty?

And, from all of my info, the minimum 6 rule will eliminate the class for next year.

 

[Ratickle]

There are several ways to enforce parity by the way. It does not have to be, or maybe even should be, weight.

Prop diameter
Drive height
Engine Maximum RPM
Weight


Of these, weight may be the least effective. Some boats run better with more weight. And, in rough water, almost every boat can use the additional weight to their advantage over the potato chip flyer.

The question once again, does anyone really care about parity?

 

[Ratickle]

The math is not hard here. Let the Fountain race P class, P1, if there is such a thing, or with lots of extra weight or way less revs. BAM! 10 SVL's racing again and everything is headed back in the right direction. Simple, inexpensive. WTF?

Hate to say it, Mike is correct......:sifone:

 

[2TR]

I thought spec. class was to show-case the latest and greatest technology among boat builders. Than when the older boats became to slow to compete they were dropped into the "P" class.