More Bank Failures???, Real Estate Crash???

ps- I didn't agree with the 1st time home buyer credit (yet since I bought a new house 9/11/09 I qualify and will get a prorated amount) or the cash for clunkers or unemployment stretched to 1+ years or whatever it is now, etc
 
Where we differ...

Lived there 20 years; sounds like he should only be caught with 10 years of mortgage payments left and betting if he could afford it 20 years ago that he could now.

Mark
Guy was a pr!ck and loved to not pay people (my buddy was one of them). But in the end he simply ran out of money (2009 taxes on house were over 60K). He got old, couldn't earn more money and his pile ran out......

But from a standpoint of a guy that paid in way more over the years than he collected it was time to collect!
 
I'd like to see it where a person could never ever buy any thing of value again until their debt was paid. Not talking the guy who's financial situation is health related or any of the 239203 situations; talking the guy that just over paid and just plain out doesn't feel like paying.

Think of like OJ Simpson- as soon as he puts on a fake Rolex the Goldmans are all over him. Same in my dream world- no computer, no new shoes, no TV, no new car- your signature should be in blood.

They did away with debtors prisons hundreds of years ago.
 
ps- I didn't agree with the 1st time home buyer credit (yet since I bought a new house 9/11/09 I qualify and will get a prorated amount) or the cash for clunkers or unemployment stretched to 1+ years or whatever it is now, etc

This is your first mortage payment? You have no idea.

Get back to me when your tax rate gets doubled,or your insurance rate.
 
This is your first mortage payment? You have no idea.

Get back to me when your tax rate gets doubled,or your insurance rate.

Cuda that only happens in FL!


My taxes on my house are still $7500 despite the value dropping 200K in two years and my homeowner's insurance is $3800 including flood/windstorm. Almost 1K a month to live in my house just in taxes/insurance.
 
My taxes on my house are still $7500 despite the value dropping 200K in two years and my homeowner's insurance is $3800 including flood/windstorm. Almost 1K a month to live in my house just in taxes/insurance.

48 degrees here; hard to feel sorry for you as that is the price to live in paradise
 
Don't forget for a second that the Feds spent a Trillion dollars to keep banks from failing, but the number is still that high.

I confuse, or you commingle? :D If I bolded correctly, your quote only mentions the banks. TARP is $700-750B, the stimulus is $750B, and there's another T-acronym program or two out there with a $700+B figure on it. Your own copy/paste text says the full TARP number is $699B so where do you get Trillions? Keeping the banks from failing doesn't include bailing out auto cos, homeowners, etc. And unfunded committments mean nothing has been borrowed/printed; a potential liability yes, but there's also the potential from a cash flow perspective to fund those committments out of dividend payments and pay backs.

And call me a nitpicker, but there's a huge difference between "SPENT" and "INVESTED." We "SPEND" on welfare programs, most/all of the TARP is at least theoretically, "INVESTED." Risky-absolutely. 99% probability we won't see 100% cash payback (no return but at least get our money back) within 10 years. But a ton of money has been paid back. And while the economic jury won't really know for years maybe, I'm still going with the idea that this route is a lot less destructive than just letting everything crumble. At least there's still hope. You b!tch about China's MFTS ruining mfg onshore; if we let everything fail China would've owned us. :USA:

Another nitpick about AIG: I phucking hate how everyone throws out the $180B figure for them. Treasury purchased ~$80B in non-AIG securities from them that are 99% current and yielding a nice positive return; no bailout just a simple asset liquidation. And they haven't gotten $100B in other funding but somewhat less. So the $180B is a propaganda figure. I don't remember the figure, but some humongo-billion figure was really just pass-throughs to other banks/FIs so realistically those numbers should be allocated to bank-bailout money. FWIW, I'm not saying AIG doesn't deserve its punching bag status but I hate propaganda rhetoric.


You confuse TARP money spent by the government with total money spent by the government. I said they've spent a Trillion, it's probably more than that. Of the 700 billion Tarp, 454 billion is gone, but it is basically all commited so I call that spent. ...

The auto industry, AIG and other struggling recipients of the government's $700 billion Wall Street bailout will make it "extremely unlikely" that taxpayers will receive a full return on their investments, says a new report by the Treasury Department's independent watchdog.

AIG, which has received about $180 billion in TARP funds, is slowly returning to financial stability, according to the report. But AIG has missed three TARP dividend payments to Treasury as of Sept. 30. If the company misses a fourth payment Nov. 1, Treasury will have the right to elect directors to the AIG board.

Treasury, as of Sept. 30, had announced commitments to spend $636.9 billion of the $699 billion maximum available for the purchase of troubled assets under TARP as authorized by Congress.

So far about $454.3 billion in TARP money had been expended through the 10 implemented programs to provide support to financial institutions and markets, the automobile industry and homeowners, Mr. Barofsky's office says.
 
Sounds like a lot of personal responsibility going on down there. My gf's sister and BIL have not paid their mortgage in 18 months now. They were a big fan of making people own up to their responsibilities, then they paid $365k for a house that I told them was probably worth $200 maybe.

Politically, they sounded a lot like a cross between Rush and Dumbya. Always ready to poke fun. They even poked fun at Obama running for Prez, with the usual adjectives. So now their both deadbeats, blaming everyone else for their issues. Pretty typical.
 
Sounds like a lot of personal responsibility going on down there. My gf's sister and BIL have not paid their mortgage in 18 months now. They were a big fan of making people own up to their responsibilities, then they paid $365k for a house that I told them was probably worth $200 maybe.

That is a Rodney King beating! :boxing_smiley:
 
That is a Rodney King beating! :boxing_smiley:

Believe me, there's tons of people with attitudes today, that are doing the very same thing. We hate handouts, we hate government socialism, blah blah. Like my brother, who has health insurance today only because of the government's new law requiring employers to pay 65% of the Cobra costs. If not for that, the twirp wouldn't even know how much it costs.

It's quite amazing how quiet the loud mouths getr once reality hits their own door. Many howl and wail and yell, some just whimper and whine for a bit. But if anything comes out of their own pocket, they generally squeal like a pig. So just imagine these wonderful folks if the government had never stepped in at all, and took a real, personal responsibility attitude. :willy_nilly::willy_nilly:

It would sound like a pig farm before National Pig Roast Day. :rofl::rofl:
 
JAY - Oh how you like to say that BO inherited this mess.

GW inherited 9-11 from CLINTON who thought it was a police matter.

CLINTON didn't realise that they were at war with us.

He was too interested in his intern flavored cigars.
 
Cuda that only happens in FL!


My taxes on my house are still $7500 despite the value dropping 200K in two years and my homeowner's insurance is $3800 including flood/windstorm. Almost 1K a month to live in my house just in taxes/insurance.

If we have shortfalls in the county budget, it's easy to raise property taxes. Too easy. :(
 
Deland is not a big city. If they raise property taxes here, maybe they should sell off the 40 or so cop cars that are sitting at the cop shop all day. Deland shouldn't even have their own police department. I got caught in a ****ing contest between Volusia County Sheriff Department, and Deland Police Department. Deland only has a population of 24,000. It would be easy and make more sense for them to negotiate with the VCSD to police the city. The PD in Deland is a bunch of *****s. I went to the PD one day, on a Saturday. You have to pick up a phone to get the officer on duty. I couldn't get anyone to pick up, so I pounded on the glass doors, still nobody. I stuck a note in the doors, and they still never called me. I guess the officer on duty was trying out some cigars. I damn near went to jail that day. The only reason I didn't go was the next day was Mother's Day, and I didn't want to spend it in the pokey. I had the manager of the local Walmart by the collar of his shirt, and it took five male managers to escort me out of the building where the Deland PD was waiting. It was earlier that morning that I had left the note at the PD. I told the PD to call a Sheriff, but they wouldn't. They get paid by the state according to how much policing they do. I think they are in Walmarts pocket. WM is far and away the largest company in Deland. I got issued a tresspass warrant. The punk azz manager had to buy a new shirt the next day. He made the mistake of laying a hand on me. I would have beat the chit out of him if the next day hadn't been Mother's Day, and I told his punk azz so.
 
Lets relax a bit...

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