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Back in the day Jim I was racing with National Powerboat Association NPBA in Key West. 1987-1988
It was great back then...
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John Carbonell of SBI lives up to his BAD reputation!
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It was great back then...
MOBILEMERCMAN
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I remember well.
MOBILEMERCMAN
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This was one class Open similar to supercat, but included V's
Back then you had to attend 3 races that season and place to attend.
It is very different now.
Back then you had to attend 3 races that season and place to attend.
It is very different now.
MOBILEMERCMAN
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A couple more open Starts from the week in '87.
There were 5 National classes: Superboat, Open, Modified, Production, and Stock.
Plus 4 Sportsman divisional classes.
Fever Mike
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I don;t care for Carbonell now the way he treats people in general. I don;t go to the races anymore nor have I been involved as a racer or tech person or race offical for a long time.
It is his loss not mine. I chose to spend my time and money with another hobby.
It is his loss not mine. I chose to spend my time and money with another hobby.
MOBILEMERCMAN
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Superboat class has evolved to 3 separate classes, Open has evolved to 4 or 5 classes. Only stock has remained somewhat unchanged. 4 Divisional classes have evolved to Class 1 thru 6.
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Thank you! Thank you! Thank you Jim !
Now for those that were not in the sport back then can see how little racing there is today....
Just look at Saturday's distances:
149 miles
129 miles
105 miles
The big class this year ran how far ? :ack2:
catmando
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Ok now I look foolish. I thought it was KW. :leaving:
Ron P
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PARADOX
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Just a view point
I think a lot of posts here missing Ginos point.
Todays race circuit is a joke.. I know several racers who won't race anymore for many reasons.. JC and the KW thing is not the issue. SHould be a change?? yes.. should JC be out of the picture? yes. He talks to many people like he is the "only thing in racing".. Kinda like Redgie.. both errogants and thinks they are the only thing in boating. "v" bottems,, racing. or whatever.
But Ginos point is that he tried to do something, and he got treated like chit.. Not professionally.. not in a manner that a media.. and public event organizers ahould treat any other boater. I bet a years salary, that if Gino would have received an understanding, professional and kind decline to his request we wouldn't be reading this thread. It's all about principles, and the sad thing is that many lacking in this. Carbonell's lacking tactfullness is just an example. (I'm not to crazy about a lot of the KW personnel and the $ hungry attitudes anyways)
If.. JC and his staff would tell Gino,, in a "nice", casual way that there are insurance issues.. or protocols or whatever and "This" can't be done right now.. Gino would have just turned away said OK... I understand and drove away with a smile and would think to himself.. ok we tried.. let's try something else.. There is a way to talk to people and JC has no clue.
I think that's Ginos point.. (as well as mine.. since I taked to JC about something else last year..) that he has no personality skills. He doesn't belong to a public event when he creates problems for the future of offshore racing.
There is a way to treat people, even if the answer is a "NO". My .02
I think a lot of posts here missing Ginos point.
Todays race circuit is a joke.. I know several racers who won't race anymore for many reasons.. JC and the KW thing is not the issue. SHould be a change?? yes.. should JC be out of the picture? yes. He talks to many people like he is the "only thing in racing".. Kinda like Redgie.. both errogants and thinks they are the only thing in boating. "v" bottems,, racing. or whatever.
But Ginos point is that he tried to do something, and he got treated like chit.. Not professionally.. not in a manner that a media.. and public event organizers ahould treat any other boater. I bet a years salary, that if Gino would have received an understanding, professional and kind decline to his request we wouldn't be reading this thread. It's all about principles, and the sad thing is that many lacking in this. Carbonell's lacking tactfullness is just an example. (I'm not to crazy about a lot of the KW personnel and the $ hungry attitudes anyways)
If.. JC and his staff would tell Gino,, in a "nice", casual way that there are insurance issues.. or protocols or whatever and "This" can't be done right now.. Gino would have just turned away said OK... I understand and drove away with a smile and would think to himself.. ok we tried.. let's try something else.. There is a way to talk to people and JC has no clue.
I think that's Ginos point.. (as well as mine.. since I taked to JC about something else last year..) that he has no personality skills. He doesn't belong to a public event when he creates problems for the future of offshore racing.
There is a way to treat people, even if the answer is a "NO". My .02
Ratickle
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A pretty good ".02"
MOBILEMERCMAN
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I agree Gino should have been treated differently. Other clubs would have welcomed him.
The real shame is some people only see his show. There are other great places to race.
The real shame is some people only see his show. There are other great places to race.
catmando
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I love you too Polli.
Phantom1
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OK, I'll play devil's advocate here.
Did anyone even think to ask for permission prior to entering instead of asking for forgiveness after being caught in the wrong place without credentials?
I'm not defending JC or beating on Gino, just looking at it from an employer and parent point of view. If my staff or kids try to pull something off and then expect me to go along when they get caught, I will most likely say no, even if it might be ultimately to my benefit.
Food for thought......that's all.
PARADOX
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Yup.. saw it..
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/general-boating-discussion/199174-thread-delitions-wtf.html
Check out post No. 15.... :lurk5:
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/general-boating-discussion/199174-thread-delitions-wtf.html
Check out post No. 15.... :lurk5:
That was real offshore racing! True offshore racing will make new and old boats competitive.
Lubejobs42
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OK, I'll play devil's advocate here.
Did anyone even think to ask for permission prior to entering instead of asking for forgiveness after being caught in the wrong place without credentials?
I'm not defending JC or beating on Gino, just looking at it from an employer and parent point of view. If my staff or kids try to pull something off and then expect me to go along when they get caught, I will most likely say no, even if it might be ultimately to my benefit.
Food for thought......that's all.
As I said before, It was one of Carbonells people that told us they were short a boat for the Parade as Fury was out. No one else wanted to come up with the $$ to put their boat in the parade as it has always been no charge. It was Carbonel guys that let us in the gate and guided us to where we pulled over. We thought we were helping SBI out as well as getting our situation handled.
Lubejobs42
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Ron, Since you met with these people, do you think there is a chance these people could be persueded to allow another organisation race either in place of SBI or another weekend? I was thinking, if enough people contacted them, maybe a petition with a few thousand along with raising a bunch of money for them, maybe they will listen. Maybe we can let them know why attendence is so much lower then previous years. I know for a fact Stu Jones really dosen't care for JC as JC has treated Stu like crap. Maybe Stu would consider supporting the other organisation and have his run on that weekend instead of SBI's. I remember 2004, the pits were full, race boats everywhere. It reminded me of when i was a kid. I honestly feel the only reason we don't have that know is one reason John Carbonel.
Years ago, you could not get a room a week prior to race week. This year everyone had vacancys. Probably the economy being the main factor but only 55 race boats vs 120 of years past is also a good part of it.
I would honstly be willing to put a good effort (financially and with time) to seeing if we could pull this off. Why should JC own Key West and ruin it for so many others.
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