John Carbonell of SBI lives up to his BAD reputation!

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Lubejobs42

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The one thing I have always loved about our sport is how everyone is always willing to help if there is a problem. This weekend was no different except one person. Comments made by this person blew me away as I believe that directly and indirectly he has to thank for all of us for his lively hood and how he went out of his way to be a complete jerk.

This was a big weekend for us, we had a few of Mercedes Benz big shots come down to Key West. After reading all the mags I've been sending them for a year they wanted to come down and see for themselves what the Poker runs are like and if they should concentrate more on advertising in this area. They have been asking my advise as to where I feel the best area for them to become more visible. I of coarse feel Poker runs get the most exposure between all the Magazines and Powerboating in Paradise tv show. Some of them think putting $$ into Racing is the way to go.

The plan was to take these guys for a ride in the Mercedes boat and then introduce them to everyone. We had a problem with the boat on the way down. Nothing serious but we did need some help. The guys from Aquamania offered us the use of their pit area along with their crew and equipment. Mike from Sterling was in the next pit and was also going to help. We were told the Doug Wright cat was unable to attend the Duval street parade and they were short one boat and we could take his spot for $500. We thought would be great exposure for Mercedes and help SBI out since they were short a boat. With these 2 things in mind we headed to the pits to talk to John Carbonell and take care of our issue.
When bringing the boat to Aquamanias pit we were stopped by an SBI pit attendant and he said "John Carbonell said to get that boat out of here now"! We told him we were going to go over and talk to John right now. The attendant was very persistent that we stopped in our tracks to go and talk with him, which we did. Of coarse I had every intention of paying SBI what ever they needed.

I walked over to Carbonell with Larry Goldman who is a current SBI racer with Aquamania. As we walked up to John, Larry immediately put out his hand and said "Great turn out" and shook Johns hand. Johns reply was "get that boat out of here now!" Larry tried explaining what we were planning on doing. Larry, which is the fastest talker know was able to spit out "What we" and immediately he was cut off with, "get it out of here now". Larry tried again to explain "we want to pay...." again, "get it out!!" He then said "I will have nothing to do with Stu Jones, Poker run guys or boats, get it out of the pits now"!
Larry said, "How about the parade", pulling money out of his pocket to pay the $500. John then said "I'm not Stu Jones, I don't take payoffs"." I'm not letting that boat in the parade, forget it"


This is where I voiced my opinion of John, walked away and left the pits. I want to again reiterate, I was more than happy to pay what every I needed to pay to handle this. I also thought Carbonell would be somewhat happy we were there as we were told he had a problem being short one boat for the parade! His attitude was completley unexpected!


The Aquamania guys were really pissed as they pay for their entire pit area and are allowed to park what they want within their assigned area and wanted to argue with John but I didn't want it to get to that.

What a miserable guy! I don't know what his problem is with Poker run boats or Stu but obviously we are not welcome around SBI. I feel if it wasn't for the poker runners, Key West would not be nealy what it is. I completely understand there are rules and John had a lot going on but he was so rude and nasty. He was an absolute nasty jerk and completly disrespectful to Larry Goldman for no reason at all. I have heard so many people talk bad about John, I guess thats why he has the attendance he has at his races. It's really too bad. I only wish he knew the opportunity that was right under his nose, had he been a decent guy, he may have ended up with Mercedes as one of his Key sponsors for next year.

We didn't get to take the guys for a ride in the Mercedes boat but I got them to have dinner at Racheals Monday night, they are very happy and will continue their support. Just need to come up with some new ideas for them, SBI will not be a consideration!!
 
I heard he doesn't like Haggin either. I've never met the man but I have seen him in action at his races and it looks like he rules with an iron hand(and a head to match).
 
That's too bad Gino, heard about it some from a couple others, (Thought maybe you were handing the wrong people shirts.:)) Maybe it does help explain why the turnout for the races keep getting smaller.

Kept trying to catch up with you but you were always in the truck or Lambo, (How about that guy on Duval?), and we were never quite in the right spot. Next time.
 
Gino,

Sorry to hear you had such a problem I have heard some of the same things everyone else has about John, and I think he is just stupid to not embrace you and the other poker runners. I been preaching that the poker runners could help be the future of Offshore racing and then John does something stupid like what he did to you. I am so sorry to here this happened to you

This just tells you how things have changed. We had an entirely different experience with the racing group, a number of years ago I wish things were still like they were in those days.
A number of years ago, we blew a drive in our cigarette on the KW poker run and found ourselves stuck in Marathon. After an all night fiasco to get the truck and trailer in Miami, and come back and get the boat in Marathon we towed it into KW. We had a drive to put on the boat, and I had all the tools except one thing I forgot and needed. I ran into Vic Spellburg from formula racing and asked to borrow that tool. Vic said “just bring your boat to the race pits and you are free to use what ever you want at the formula trailer to get your boat going”. We towed our cigarette into the race pits, and the formula guys even helped me pull the drive and hoist on the new one, we got things buttoned up and we put the boat back in the water for the rest of the weekend. It was a great experience to be helped by the racers, and how it should be since we all are enthusiast of the same sport. The jokes all weekend were directed to the formula guys about why they had a Cigarette in the Formula pits. They were way cool about the experience

Some times people only see the short side of things and not the future potential

Your story really serves to set back the ideas I have had with the racing organizations working closer with the poker runners. Do not be totally put off; one bad apple doesn’t ruin the entire bunch. It seems you found the one apple that is rotten to the core. Gino you are a class act, and a great promoter of offshore boating don’t be discouraged by one guy who doesn’t seem care about where the sport is headed. We need new Ideas, fresh blood, and additional sponsorship in the sport to keep it going. Stay with us my friend, some of care a lot about the sport and are interested in having guys like you keep it alive.

Marc
 
Sounds like the JC I remember.

Last year I attended his Panama City race with the Geico Team.

No one else was there to professionally photograph his event from the air but me. I wanted to make sure I did things right with him and SBI. I just could not afford to. He wanted $1000 from me in order for me to shoot his race plus all of the copies & copyrights to the images I shot. Also wanted me to sign a contract that they could not provide and to this day I did not receive. They eventually said being as I was shooting for Geico, than that would be the only boat I could take pics of.

Total BS!. I shot everything I could that day being as I was in a chopper. I just never offered them for sale.

This organization does not deserve the exposure and promotions with my photos...

Until he is able to take his races out of the public venue and have everyone that has a camera in their hand follow his rules, I will shoot what I want where I want as long as it is in the view of the public...

It does not surprise me how he treated you.

I think the Poker Run should move their date up 2 weeks so SBI does not get the impression he has lured all of the Poker Run boats there and uses that to get his money from the Conch Republic.
 
with Bud Light pulling promo $$$$, Benz could have been a natural fit... AMG is spending huge dollars promoting the 63 series stuff...

if all the poker boats pull out of that weekend, as in boycott, which they should do at this point, the town fathers to be, restaurants, bars, and the hotels, won't be happy...

maybe Benz should support Stu, move it up one to two weeks, and go from there.... pokers don't really care about the race, it's about the RUN, the racers care about the pokers because it's spectator exposure... gotta be a two way street, one way dead end's don't work...

spectators buy the Benz cars
pokers buy the Benz cars

racers and crew members DON'T buy the cars (no insult intended) they buy the trucks...

just my .02
 
Disappointing. But I'd be willing to bet it's because of the cat killer / fountain killer thing. Without the reggie show, JC is bust.
 
same reason that supercatracing.com, talkoffshore and anything else that may be good for the sport wasn't there, the man doesn't want good exposure.

another genuis move on JC's part, no safety during testing... not one helo to be seen.

but hey it's his show, let him run it into the ground however he wants.. 20 less boats this year than last year.
 
John has not changed- I always refused to pay him off - no way - races take place in the Public Domain - even the parades are on public streets- he thinks he owns everything - he is just plain stupid - what do you expect from a carpet layer - he does not realize the benefits that others bring his org. -its Just money money money - One would think he would say- shoot the race - events - everything - and dont pay me - just give me good press - but instead- he wants bad publicity - and he gets it here - and in other places- there is NO CHANGE in him over 20 years - unfortunately - The best way to handle him, is to ignore him - and just do your things - he has no credibility - Where else can you ask an org. to give you a hard time, ask for more money - and act like a dictator- HELLO HUGO CHAVEZ !

Some day- maybe he will realize who is spending the money to race their boats - and who really is the boss - THE RACERS -

Oh - dont sneeze in the pits - not allowed by JC either !

He must have received a lot of "tips" or pay offs in his Carpet laying business - as he thinks it can be transfered to offshore too -

nothing has changed in all the years he has been there - NOTHING -
 
I heard there was an issue with a race team about what class they were running and he didnt stick up for them.
 
I dealt with him one time, a few years back....let me just say...arrogant, egotisticlal....way out of line....I see things have not changed. Jeff
 
I'm not taking either side but let's look at something here. When you register a race boat, it is included with the insurance policy taken out by SBI. Let's say that if a boat comes in, not registered, and their is an accident, SBI is liable. I'm sure there are other issues playing here, but look at all sides here. Personally, I think it would be cool to have all the boats, Race and Poker Runners all together with huge fan parties in the pits. I know in KW space is tight, but it would be cool. Anyhow just another side without taking sides. Dave
 
I'm not taking either side but let's look at something here. When you register a race boat, it is included with the insurance policy taken out by SBI. Let's say that if a boat comes in, not registered, and their is an accident, SBI is liable. I'm sure there are other issues playing here, but look at all sides here. Personally, I think it would be cool to have all the boats, Race and Poker Runners all together with huge fan parties in the pits. I know in KW space is tight, but it would be cool. Anyhow just another side without taking sides. Dave

A year or two ago when John didn't have enough race boats to meet his Conch Republic obligations he did invite all the Poker Run boats to the pits, guess things didn't work out or maybe he has another issue with Stu (not that that should surprise anyone either :leaving: ).
 
yup things have not changed we called him Boss Hogg i think they based the duke of hazzards tv show on J.C. and his antics in the 90s i saw him totaly abuse mr ricky the photo guy it was way out of line in front of our pit he dam near dragged him behind his golf cart out of the pits he was screaming and threatning him....and we wonder why our sport is still in the dark ages? this day in age there needs to be at least an internet broadcast i had to listen to that radio station they had no idea what was going on its frustrating
 
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