John Carbonell of SBI lives up to his BAD reputation!

[JohnS]

You mean you have to pay for a pit spot? and PAY to be in the parade?
WTF???

I guess we're spoiled up here with the OPA. Hell, we don't even pay to race. Just pay to register once.

 

[Master Wrench]

Sounds to me its just like this website. The other one pi$$ed everyone off so they started another. The same can happen with a race organization!!!!:26::sifone:

 

[Bullhead]

I would be very surprised if Fountain had anything to do with it....I was running a Donzi 38ZR right in their backyard in Washington NC and had some mechanical issues and the folks at the Fountain factory went out of their way to help me out....they told me they always try to help people out because maybe the next time they buy they will consider a Fountain or tell their friends...it worked on me....I've heard that JC was hard to deal with...I know he chewed my a$$ for driving a scooter too fast in the pits

 

[Lubejobs42]

I'm not taking either side but let's look at something here. When you register a race boat, it is included with the insurance policy taken out by SBI. Let's say that if a boat comes in, not registered, and their is an accident, SBI is liable. I'm sure there are other issues playing here, but look at all sides here. Personally, I think it would be cool to have all the boats, Race and Poker Runners all together with huge fan parties in the pits. I know in KW space is tight, but it would be cool. Anyhow just another side without taking sides. Dave

Not sure thats actually the case. Many teams had more than 1 boat in their pit area. Several for sale boats as well. If it was an insurance issue he could have easily said that. It was the attitude I have a problem with. We were nice and treated him with respect. Even when I raced with SBI, there were issues i did not agree with, I always treated him with respect. This was the only time I ever disrespected him. I called him an A-hole, I wish I would have said something more colorful.

 

[ApachePete]

John has not changed- I always refused to pay him off - no way - races take place in the Public Domain - even the parades are on public streets- he thinks he owns everything - he is just plain stupid - what do you expect from a carpet layer - he does not realize the benefits that others bring his org. -its Just money money money - One would think he would say- shoot the race - events - everything - and dont pay me - just give me good press - but instead- he wants bad publicity - and he gets it here - and in other places- there is NO CHANGE in him over 20 years - unfortunately - The best way to handle him, is to ignore him - and just do your things - he has no credibility - Where else can you ask an org. to give you a hard time, ask for more money - and act like a dictator- HELLO HUGO CHAVEZ !

Some day- maybe he will realize who is spending the money to race their boats - and who really is the boss - THE RACERS -



Oh - dont sneeze in the pits - not allowed by JC either !

He must have received a lot of "tips" or pay offs in his Carpet laying business - as he thinks it can be transfered to offshore too -

nothing has changed in all the years he has been there - NOTHING -

Phillip!

Stop holding back!

Tell us what you REALLY think! :sifone:

 

[Lubejobs42]

I would be very surprised if Fountain had anything to do with it....I was running a Donzi 38ZR right in their backyard in Washington NC and had some mechanicle issues and the folks at the Fountain factory went out of their way to help me out....they told me they always try to help people out because maybe the next time they buy they will consider a Fountain or tell their friends...it worked on me....I've heard that JC was hard to deal with...I know he chewed my a$$ for driving a scooter too fast in the pits

It didn't. It all happened way to quick. We saw JC the entire time we were there. He never had a chance to talk to anyone except the attendant he sent over to us.

 

[SHARKEY-IMAGES]

I heard there was an issue with a race team about what class they were running and he didnt stick up for them.

I still would like to know how the organization runs all season with a Class called Super Vee Unlimited, "Unlimited= Run all you got !" and 5 Unlimited boats show up to race this class and presto !!! Another class is formed on the spot. So I hear that now there is a Super Vee Unlimited Class One & a Super Vee Unlimited Class Two. I assume Cat Killer wanted to run alone or someone did not want to run against Cat Killer ? It appears FOUNTAIN was looking to get another easy title or two but they under estimated Lucas Oil OUTERLIMITS when they came in to take the overall win in Super Vee Unlimited Class One.

What was the saying Fountain used ? You can run but you can't hide !

Nice try, but people are tired of boats racing by themselves and marketing Championship wins with no competition.

Thanks Lucas Oil for not letting them run by themselves once again !

 

[RumRunner]

Sounds like the JC I remember.

Last year I attended his Panama City race with the Geico Team.

No one else was there to professionally photograph his event from the air but me. I wanted to make sure I did things right with him and SBI. I just could not afford to. He wanted $1000 from me in order for me to shoot his race plus all of the copies & copyrights to the images I shot. Also wanted me to sign a contract that they could not provide and to this day I did not receive. They eventually said being as I was shooting for Geico, than that would be the only boat I could take pics of.

Totoal BS!. I shot everything I could that day being as I was in a chopper. I just never offered them for sale.

This organization does not deserve the exposure and promotions with my photos...

Until he is able to take his races out of the public venue and have everyone that has a camera in their hand follow his rules, I will shoot what I want where I want as long as it is in the view of the public...

It does not surprise me how he treated you.

I think the Poker Run should move their date up 2 weeks so SBI does not get the impression he has lured all of the Poker Run boats there and uses that to get his money from the Conch Republic.

I'm sure you know better than I, but it's my understanding that legally you can't stop anyone from taking ANY pictures out in a public area.

I could seem an organization asking for some $ if you were selling the pictures of the event and making money, but if you weren't displaying or marketing from said event then no way.

It's a shame JC is the way he is.

 

[Scarab KV]

Disappointing. But I'd be willing to bet it's because of the cat killer / fountain killer thing. Without the reggie show, JC is bust.

Kinda what I was think'n.

 

[SHARKEY-IMAGES]

I'm sure you know better than I, but it's my understanding that legally you can't stop anyone from taking ANY pictures out in a public area.

True ! But there are a few areas that you should probably refrain from taking pictures. Government facilities ect.

A race out in open water is not one of them.

I could seem an organization asking for some $ if you were selling the pictures of the event and making money, but if you weren't displaying or marketing from said event then no way.

It's a shame JC is the way he is.

I would be no different than the next spectator taking pics and sharing them online. Let's take Photobucket for example. Whatever you load on their site, they are available for sale. You just don't get the money, Photobucket does.

Does SBI get a check from every magazine or newpaper that covers the event ? I highly doubt it.

Now if I wanted space inside his Pit Area to sell photographs on site, then yes, I would lease the space provided. But he has no right to claim the copyrights of my images when I was the one who shot them.

Is SBI getting a piece of everyone's tee shirt & hat sales ? Hmmm.... Scarey thought isn't it? I suppose he is being as the teams are inside the pits.

 

[RumRunner]

True ! But there are a few areas that you should probably refrain from taking pictures. Government facilities ect.

A race out in open water is not one of them.

I was reading about this the other day when I was looking to buy a new camera. Some of the laws are really interesting when it comes to what you actually can do.

I would be no different than the next spectator taking pics and sharing them online. Let's take Photobucket for example. Whatever you load on their site, they are available for sale. You just don't get the money, Photobucket does.

Does SBI get a check from every magazine or newpaper that covers the event ? I highly doubt it.

Now if I wanted space inside his Pit Area to sell photographs on site, then yes, I would lease the space provided. But he has no right to claim the copyrights of my images when I was the one who shot them.

Is SBI getting a piece of everyone's tee shirt & hat sales ? Hmmm.... Scarey thought isn't it? I suppose he is being as the teams are inside the pits.

I was referring to a person going to each of the teams (at the event) to try and sell them pictures. I see it at other racing events all the time. If the "Professional" is there taking photos and trying to sell them they pay something. If they are there working for the Press then the magazine pays something. If it's just someone who enjoys taking pictures and puts them up on their own website then there is no charge.

As far as them getting a "Cut" of everything sold onsite that would not surprise me at all I would actually expect it. It's common with NHRA & NASCAR.

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

Sharkey,
The unlimited class II was Hard Rock and Taboo,
unlimited class I was Lucas Oil, at Killer, Trumel.

Truth be told if they ran together, Hard Rock was overall V winner 94.82,
Followed by Miccosukee 90.00 and 89.90 Ran 4 races,
Lucas Oil .......................77.39
Cat Killer........................71.2

I think the extra classes were to give the full season SBI boats a fair shake not for cat killer to run alone.

 

[SHARKEY-IMAGES]

Sharkey,
The unlimited class II was Hard Rock and Taboo,
unlimited class I was Lucas Oil, at Killer, Trumel.

Truth be told if they ran together, Hard Rock was overall V winner 94.82,
Followed by Miccosukee 90.00 and 89.90 Ran 4 races,
Lucas Oil .......................77.39
Cat Killer........................71.2

I think the extra classes were to give the full season SBI boats a fair shake not for cat killer to run alone.

So why was there a need for another class ?

If they can't run with the big dogs then let them go to P1 Class.

They should have all ran together.

If Hard Rock would have won overall then so be it. But catering and making classes up at the last minute is rediculous.

It's not like they did not know CK was going to be there! The rules are unlimited. They should make their boats competitive if that is where they want to race..

 

[isellpower]

Tell the Mercedes guys I love my CLS55 AMG!!!

 

[Fever Mike]

Ahh, I miss the good all Mike Alweiss APBA days. Those were some great memories that I truely miss. You all never had it so good!

 

[Fever Mike]

Tell the Mercedes guys I love my CLS55 AMG!!!

+1 my wife loves here CLK 550. However we will NEVER buy another Mercedes Benz from the Tampa dealer on Dale Mabry. We will look at Crown in St. Pete next time.

 

[RumRunner]

Ahh, I miss the good all Mike Alweiss APBA days. Those were some great memories that I truely miss. You all never had it so good!

Yup...

 

[SHARKEY-IMAGES]

As far as them getting a "Cut" of everything sold onsite that would not surprise me at all I would actually expect it. It's common with NHRA & NASCAR.

NHRA & NASCAR you are also purchasing a ticket to enter the arena or stadium. Just as Concerts, some may not allow photography, and it is probably stated in the contract when purchasing the ticket. I went to a concert last year at THE ROCK. I thought for sure I saw somewhere it said no cameras. When entering they were checking bags and I saw cameras being allowed. What 1 person there stated was they did not want Professional Series cameras brought in and they would have to be checked at the door if you had them. Point and Shoots and Camera Phones seemed to be ok....

If I were to ever decide to go to KW ever again, I would find a much more accessible place to shoot from in public vs paying $1000 + to SBI to be in the VIP area and granted permission to use my equipment.

There isn't enough people buying photos to even come close to covering the expenses of getting there let alone to try and pay a vig.

Other events and organizations welcome the coverage and exposure. They seem to see the value of the photos and the people who take the time involved in posting them online to keep people talking about their events.

If no shots were taken in KW, how long would we be talking about the event ?
Probably not as long if pics were there...

 

[SHARKEY-IMAGES]

You mean you have to pay for a pit spot? and PAY to be in the parade?
WTF???

I guess we're spoiled up here with the OPA. Hell, we don't even pay to race. Just pay to register once.

Yeah,

He hits everyone up in Key West so that he can put on the Jersey City Event which we all know has to be a losing site for him. There is only one reason I can come up with why he keeps that event every year with 10 or 12 boats showing up...

 

[SHARKEY-IMAGES]

A year or two ago when John didn't have enough race boats to meet his Conch Republic obligations he did invite all the Poker Run boats to the pits, guess things didn't work out or maybe he has another issue with Stu (not that that should surprise anyone either :leaving: ).

And now I see what looks like a Poker Run boat was used to start his races...