John Carbonell of SBI lives up to his BAD reputation!

[MarylandMark]

Tortious interference of business.- When false claims and accusations are made against a business or an individual's reputation in order to drive business away.

It ain't false if it's true.

The dog in this fight for me is to see more boats and races in KW regardless of who is at the helm

 

[Mrhorsepower1]

Gino,
I know exactly what your talking about! We raced in "B" class with the original Powerboat Magazine 38 Scarab back in early 2000 and late 90's. We called JC in regards to the Ft.Myers Offshore race and wanted to know ahead of time how many boats were pre-registered in our class. This was the 1 st time we would be racing SBI ( and the last). John told us the pits are full and I have 8 boats in "B" class come on down. We arrive at the pits after a lond tow from Ohio and we are the 3rd total boat to show up!! To make a long story short we kept the boat on the trailer due to John's erogance and lies!!

 

[lucky devil]

I'm saying that right this minute I can start overtly planning to compete for that contract and approach KW on the topic and no one can do anything about it.

That's an incredibly facile response. You haven't a clue. There's no contract to compete for. Key West city govt doesn't issue an RFP. Don't take my word for it, read their own records. See Resolution 08-223. They don't award a contract, the Resolution is Authorizing CROPRA.

Are you going to replace CROPRA? That would really be a Fantasy Fest.

Or are you going to suggest to CROPRA that your organization (?) is ready,willing and able to replace SBI/APBA? Have you even read what CROPRA wrote in it's own press release of Dec '03 when it was revived?

 

[SHARKEY-IMAGES]

are you saying Carbonell doesn't have a multi-year contract with the Conch Republic folks and that trying to induce them into breaking that contract doesn't have consequences? If so, have at it.

I lost count of how many times that I heard the Conch Republic was promised that x number of boats would be in attendance in order for the Conch to cut JC a check. It is my understanding that in many cases he never actually got the actually number boats he promised and was even asking for Poker Run boats to be in the parade or do a parade lap before the start of the race... Just so he could get his check.

One other personal experience I had:

Myself, my wife and 18 month old daughter were on a cruise. 1st stop was Key West. We came into Key West when only 3 boats just got into the pits and I saw through the fence there was some guys I knew from NJ.
Well we could not go over to say hi to them for a few minutes without laying out $30.00 for a gate fee. $10.00 for each of us. Yes, my 18 month old daughter too was going to cost me $10 per the attendant!

I asked what were we getting for $30? The attendant said we get to look at the boats up close. I was like, "Ah?? What boats?" It was not like we could stay for the day because we needed to be back on the cruise ship at a certain time. I ended up saying hi through the fence being as they were close enough to it...

I don't blame the attendant nor any of the volunteers. I know that they are just doing what they are dictated to do.

 

[BUIZILLA]

so for bantering sake, if someone was to come in with a ZERO dollar cost to the City proposal, how would that affect this contract? which by the way expires approx 45 days before next years event? MBZ ( or ANYBODY for example) says hey, we can do this for FREE cost to the City, just honor the previous exemptions and we're good to go... the City would be stupid not to jump on it...

 

[BBB725]

Looks like the race gets approval for that weekend(week) only, so anyone, with approval, could race a different weekend.


*(h) Authorizing Conch Republic Offshore Powerboat Racing Association to conduct the Key West World Championship Races on November 2 – 9, 2008; A block party on Friday, November 7, 2008; A boat parade on Sunday, November 2, 2008; An awards ceremony at the Truman Waterfront on Thursday, November 6, 2008; Parade will be starting at Truman Annex Southard Street gate to Whitehead Street – Right going South to United Street – Left to Duval Street – Left go North to Front Street – to Whitehead Street – Left go South to Southard Street and right back to Truman Annex at 4:00 P.M. on Sunday, November 2, 2008; A street party on Friday, November 7,2008 from 7:00 P.M. to 11:00 P.M., pursuant to terms and conditions set forth by the City Manager; Authorizing the closure of Duval Street between Eaton and Front Streets including Greene from Ann to Fitzpatrick Streets and Duval Street; Granting a Special Event Permit pursuant to Section 6-86 of the Code of Ordinances; Authorizing the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages within the enclosed area. (City Manager)

 

[Bobcat]

it has been done ,it used to be this. first and foremost the city of key west wants to make money, they are open to ideas.

 

[Tony]

getting interesting..

 

[Chris]

I'm just curious how the City of Key West justifies the circumvention of Florida's state procurement laws in awarding a no-bid contract for services.

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0287/ch0287.htm

 

[lucky devil]

I'm just curious how the City of Key West justifies the circumvention of Florida's state procurement laws in awarding a no-bid contract for services.

Where is the contract?

Answer: between CROPRA and Carbonell

 

[SHARKEY-IMAGES]

I'm just curious how the City of Key West justifies the circumvention of Florida's state procurement laws in awarding a no-bid contract for services.

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0287/ch0287.htm

.....

 

[SHARKEY-IMAGES]

Where is the contract?

Probably with the same copy of the contract for photographers they promised to get to me. It's been over 1 year and it still has not be produced...

No worries though. There are other ways to get the product I made to the racers and still fall into what I assume his guidelines are ...

 

[BUIZILLA]

Where is the contract?

Answer: between CROPRA and Carbonell

then that makes it an open door for any other competitive offers to the City/County right? there is NOTHING in either agreement concerning sole rights to boating or boat racing events within the City of Key West or the territory boundary of Monroe County...... if another promoter petitions the City or County for another venue, neither entity can ignore or deny a hearing request, or proposal presentation... this is no different than promoting a car race, pig race, car show, or a boat show, where the City/County has to, and is required by law, to entertain it's options.. in good faith, the City/County would have to have a 30 day window of no-overlap, but I don't think it's as far fetched out of reach, or an iron clad lockout, as one would think...in fact, it may very well be a very EASY entryway at this juncture in time...

just stating the facts

 

[glassdave]

also keep in mind i believe Carbonell holds the contract with UIM to hold the worlds, that is the recognized World Championships. Someone correct me if i'm wrong.

 

[lucky devil]

then that makes it an open door for any other competitive offers to the City/County right?

That depends on the people who are a part of CROPRA. If you believe the city govt is going to agree to something proposed by out-of-towners that is at odds with the interests of these folks, well....

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

I can't recall who said, but I heard APBA owns that and SBI has use of it thru the merge.

 

[PARADOX]

Answer

I write contract all the time and involved with municipalities as well.
It's to complicated thats for sure.

However..

I think we should just by KW,, buy Counch Republic.. and do what the phuck we want. I'm sure Gino with his Cassino.. and Benz buddies can put in a few bucks. :leaving:

 

[BUIZILLA]

That depends on the people who are a part of CROPRA. If you believe the city govt is going to agree to something proposed by out-of-towners that is at odds with the interests of these folks, well....

your blowing smoke dude, heavy smoke, your deal isn't as iron clad as you think.... the City and County has LEGAL protocol, and State guidelines they have to follow, no matter who you are, and if you think for a nanno second that a legitimate lobbyist/promoter/marketing firm can't approach them, and may very well get a positive approval for another boating *event*, especially at a NO COST option to the City, saving them $70,000 up front... your in the dark ages man.... dark dark ages... if someone in the know had the time and balls to do it, it absolutely CAN be done... I did several years of car race promoting renting a world class NASCAR sanctioned track, and dealing with City's and County's ad nauseum and i've also lived over 50 years down here and dealt with all surrounding county's purchasing/proposal contracts for 27 of those years, including Monroe Cty... so I know a tad about the in's and out's of this... don't threaten us with intimidation, you just may get more competition than you bargained for here..

besides, WE are your customer's, without US you have nothing for the City to pay you for, nada, zap, zero... you better damn well remember that... :26:

 

[Chris]

Sometimes I think the "Conch Republic" believes some of that nonsense. They're still a city incorporated as a municipality in the State of Florida. I don't give a damn if they're an island, how far away they are from Tallahassee or if they suffer from some delusion that thye'y're exempt from Florida statutory law, they could quickly find out just how wrong they are.

P.S. People don't come there because of any silly "World Championship" name. The majority go home having no idea who won. Most don't care.

That depends on the people who are a part of CROPRA. If you believe the city govt is going to agree to something proposed by out-of-towners that is at odds with the interests of these folks, well....

Do you honestly believe that CROPRA is entitled by birthright to some special treatment? Again, since you have an apparent fondness for legal terminology, can you cite the Florida statute or point in common law that provides CROPRA with the ability to receive contracts and preferential treatment from the City of Key West? Or that allows them to exclude an equally-qualified organization from putting on a competitive event?

Bottom line- there are laws. These laws are legislated at a state level and in accordance with Florida's constitution. If Key West chooses to operate contrary to these laws, the judicial system provides remedies.

 

[MarylandMark]

P.S. People don't come there because of any silly "World Championship" name. The majority go home having no idea who won. Most don't care.

I was there all 3 days of the boats running and couldn't answer who won or what class they were in. I went for the party and to see fast boats. Too much work to understand who is racing who so easier to say "holy chit dude- did you see that boat go by" and take another sip!

No disrespect and congrats to the champs as well as all the racers!