jayboat
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Two words for ya: compassionate conservatism.
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Two words for ya: compassionate conservatism.
Was he the president in Sept 2007???
Your post- your claim is total BS. Typical - take a non-issue and try to make it into something it is not.
If he had managed to get us out already, you would be screaming that the terrahists had won.
But it is not surprising - just a typical repub tactic - lots of hand-wringing and predictions of doom. Too bad you don't realize it's the GOP that is going down. Isn't it about time that you started worrying about the important stuff? :smash:
David Frum
If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.
So today’s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it’s mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it’s Waterloo all right: ours.
Andrew Sprung
The flip side of Obama's perhaps naive belief that he can win Republicans over is his ability to show them up. Americans are confused about the plan, but they are not confused about the man. By large margins they trust Obama more than they do the Republicans to produce rational solutions to the country's problems. In the past month, he exploited his mastery of policy detail, his pragmatism, his focus on effectively alleviating the suffering he spotlighted, and his willingness to stake his political future on getting this bill passed to the utmost. The full eloquence and passion of the campaign came back to his lips in forum after forum and speech after speech.
To Democratic legislators, his message was that this bill epitomized why they had sought public office and why they were Democrats; it was the raison d'etre for their careers; in effect, passing it was worth their careers (and would make or break his own).
Come on Jay, quit drinking the .......
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fund razor
Founding Member
Here's two for you: unrecovered hippie.
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Tommy Gun
Charter Member
Seeems that that is where we are headed if this train cannot be turned around. Fortunately the liberals aren't bright enough to arm themselves.
Guys- This IS an anarchist revolution. THEY are the anarchists. They're the one's putting radical reformers into high places in government and using our very own system to take it where they want to go.
As I've said repeatedly, this is the result of a democratically-elected representative government. Back in the 80's, you had idealistic young people voting Republican when it didn't even serve their best interests to do so. The Republican policies were geared to the benefit of their parents and their employers. But they all had the optimism to believe that's where they were headed.
Today, that middle is headed downward. We've failed as a society to prepare them for a global economy and now they're competing with other manual labor based economies like Vietnam and S. Korea. And there aren't alot of F-150's and bass boats in the driveways of 4 betdoom homes in Saigon or Seoul these days. When the sentiment among the masses is to "rob from the rich", you've got problems. Simply because they can- at least until the rich are tapped out.
As I've said repeatedly, this is the result of a democratically-elected representative government. Back in the 80's, you had idealistic young people voting Republican when it didn't even serve their best interests to do so. The Republican policies were geared to the benefit of their parents and their employers. But they all had the optimism to believe that's where they were headed.
Today, that middle is headed downward. We've failed as a society to prepare them for a global economy and now they're competing with other manual labor based economies like Vietnam and S. Korea. And there aren't alot of F-150's and bass boats in the driveways of 4 betdoom homes in Saigon or Seoul these days. When the sentiment among the masses is to "rob from the rich", you've got problems. Simply because they can- at least until the rich are tapped out.
hotjava66
New member
All the great early democracies were destroyed by the government getting to big and taking too much resources. When those who take from the system outnumber those who contribute, or in todays terms, use more tax dollars than can be paid in, they crumble. We are well down that road now. And it will get worse, as more voters are on the take, that is the real danger here. Eventually you will get a society of A.Politicians, B.An Elite Class, C.Goverment employees, D.Peons. If we dont change our ways, it will be the death of the self-made man who can find success through hard work. Only politics will be the way to success, and there goes the incentive to produce anything. We all need to get involved and clean up this mess before it is too late. I think most of us agree things need to be done, but not in this fashion. This isnt about health care, it is about the future of our democracy and the opportunities that are here.
Move to Florida- they're exempt.
Or are they? I know there were back-door deals in there. I'd be surprised if they came out.
hotjava66
New member
If it takes a revolution, so be it. When I was in DC viewing the Constitution last fall there is a plaque outside saying the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. We havent been so, it is time now. Either we take back our government from the politicians by due process, or if they have subverted the system enough, we do it ourselves. If you think the military would stand against the population, and for the current government, you are nuts, these are people who are willing to risk their lives for love of country. This is worst case, of course, we still can fix things if we get on it now.
catastrophe
Registered
I feel safe inviting you to stay with me cuz I know you wont show up:sifone::sifone:
If you do decide to come...learn Punjabi first....your co workers at 7-11 wont understand you.
But Welcome to Canadaindia anyway buddy.
DollaBill
New member
OK, now thats funny
phragle
Charter Member
I have been searching for a way to elaborate on my personal feelings (phuck I sound like Dr. Phil) on the issue...
I believe in goodwill towards man, I am not an evil cold hearted bastard.
Last year at Harrison, I opened my motorhome to all serious members, heck it was an open invite to all in attendence even if you were a card carrying OSO member. I drink rum drinks, yet I bought 2 cases of beer, even though I wasn't drinking beer, to share with everyone. Did I do it because I wanted too? Yes. Now if the board had demanded that I provide a hospitality coach at my expenses, I may have resented that.
I helped Fundy a couple times last summer with his Apache project,Fundy is a friend of mine, he knows that if he called me up and said Rob, I need some help, that I would be there to help. If he called me up and said "I don't care if your studying for a test tomorrow, you are going to come over and fix my boat right now", That wouldn't have gone over very well.
I have a bit of medical knowledge, if a complete stranger knocked on my door with blood running down his arm, I would do my best to fix the situation without expectation of payment.
IMHO, the Govt. is demanding that we take care of others. This will serve no purpose except turning good will into resentment. While as a medical professional, I will provide good care to anyone I treat, I gaurantee you my bedside manner and level of care will be much better for the person I want to help.
I believe in goodwill towards man, I am not an evil cold hearted bastard.
Last year at Harrison, I opened my motorhome to all serious members, heck it was an open invite to all in attendence even if you were a card carrying OSO member. I drink rum drinks, yet I bought 2 cases of beer, even though I wasn't drinking beer, to share with everyone. Did I do it because I wanted too? Yes. Now if the board had demanded that I provide a hospitality coach at my expenses, I may have resented that.
I helped Fundy a couple times last summer with his Apache project,Fundy is a friend of mine, he knows that if he called me up and said Rob, I need some help, that I would be there to help. If he called me up and said "I don't care if your studying for a test tomorrow, you are going to come over and fix my boat right now", That wouldn't have gone over very well.
I have a bit of medical knowledge, if a complete stranger knocked on my door with blood running down his arm, I would do my best to fix the situation without expectation of payment.
IMHO, the Govt. is demanding that we take care of others. This will serve no purpose except turning good will into resentment. While as a medical professional, I will provide good care to anyone I treat, I gaurantee you my bedside manner and level of care will be much better for the person I want to help.
fund razor
Founding Member
I have donors calling asking where my organization stands on the issue because if they are forced to support those who they didn't choose to... they will stop supporting those that they wanted to. I have gotten some emails too.
htrdlncn
New member
Thruout the history of man all great empires have fallen.
We are no different.
Probably wont happen in our lifetime and it may not be destroyed completely
but it will fall. It is in mans nature to destroy
what he can not have and we have had for the past 200 years what most of
the world does not, freedom and lifestyle. Unless we nuke everyone except
ourselves it will happen.
We are no different.
Probably wont happen in our lifetime and it may not be destroyed completely
but it will fall. It is in mans nature to destroy
what he can not have and we have had for the past 200 years what most of
the world does not, freedom and lifestyle. Unless we nuke everyone except
ourselves it will happen.
LotoSteve
New member
phragle
Charter Member
Sissy
I heard girls like guys that are in touch with their feelings, at least thats what was said on Oprah the other day...... :kiss:
GregP
Charter Member
Passing the health care reform bill was long overdue.
Is it a perfect bill, no, it's loaded with lots of useless drivel and favors (most of them BY and FOR the insurance companies) like evey legislation past in the last 10-20-30? years (including the hallowed Ronnie and Bushie years). The key things, like preventing insurance companies from charging you premiums until you actually get sick and then canceling you, will last. The bad will get "adjusted" out over time. There are several years built in before much of it actually takes effect anyway.
It could have been a better bill if the Republicans leaders weren't so arrogant. They agree to most of whats in the bill (and have said so), but were to set in their "tear it up and start over" mantra to actually consider trying to make it better. If they had come out with some "we will vote for it if you change" ideas you can bet they would have been adopted just like all the other deals-for-votes.
I would have preferred they tackle corporate greed first, but that is next on the agenda and I hope it doesn't stop with just the financial markets. If you want to make mega-bucks do it putting your own money at risk. If your risking others money not yours then you don't deserve big money and bonuses for simply doing your job. That money belongs as profits to the real owners and creating more jobs and investment for the future. I'm still hoping for 90%+ pay cuts at Goldman Sachs and the rest of corporate senior management (their pay has gone up 10 times what it was relative to the rest of their employees and it's time to cut it back to where it was) but since $ for favors still rules Washington we will be lucky to see a fraction of that.
-Greg
Is it a perfect bill, no, it's loaded with lots of useless drivel and favors (most of them BY and FOR the insurance companies) like evey legislation past in the last 10-20-30? years (including the hallowed Ronnie and Bushie years). The key things, like preventing insurance companies from charging you premiums until you actually get sick and then canceling you, will last. The bad will get "adjusted" out over time. There are several years built in before much of it actually takes effect anyway.
It could have been a better bill if the Republicans leaders weren't so arrogant. They agree to most of whats in the bill (and have said so), but were to set in their "tear it up and start over" mantra to actually consider trying to make it better. If they had come out with some "we will vote for it if you change" ideas you can bet they would have been adopted just like all the other deals-for-votes.
I would have preferred they tackle corporate greed first, but that is next on the agenda and I hope it doesn't stop with just the financial markets. If you want to make mega-bucks do it putting your own money at risk. If your risking others money not yours then you don't deserve big money and bonuses for simply doing your job. That money belongs as profits to the real owners and creating more jobs and investment for the future. I'm still hoping for 90%+ pay cuts at Goldman Sachs and the rest of corporate senior management (their pay has gone up 10 times what it was relative to the rest of their employees and it's time to cut it back to where it was) but since $ for favors still rules Washington we will be lucky to see a fraction of that.
-Greg
When I was up to see you, I was astonished that the workers in a coffee shop didn't speak any English. And it wasn't like I was in some ethnic neighborhood. I was in a Tim's by the Convention Center.
DollaBill
New member
You actually believe that the govt is interested doing whats right and will now be "fixing" the financial system? ROTFLMAO. Next you'll say the president was elected by the people and is there to watch over the country. You do realize all this is just a scripted TV show right?
As far as wall street and regulation the only regulation that will work is that which is dictated by the public. You lost your money? I guess you won't send it to a wall street firm anymore. Thats the only way it will work
Don't you work for a greedy corporation Greg? If this bill was worth anything what so ever don't you think the evil Republicans would have jumped on the band wagon, at least some?????? Nope, this stinker belongs to the party of the limousine liberal lawyers and they will have to learn how to go back and get a real job when the party ends in November, lucky THEIR healthcare is portable 
