to answer your question, yes, I have..
but not because the current POTUS lied to me about HIS charted and stated map being wrong...
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but not because the current POTUS lied to me about HIS charted and stated map being wrong...
I think there's now an SIC code for the guy that stands at the top of the highway exit ramp with the piece of cardboard with "Homeless- Need Work. Will Do Anthing"
Anything except look for a job.
catastrophe
Registered
LOL Good one.
But surely no one thinks that the current healthcare changes are aimed at these people.
They dont even vote.
Trim'd Up
New member
LOL Good one.
But surely no one thinks that the current healthcare changes are aimed at these people.
They dont even vote.
Hell, dead people vote thanks to ACORN. Why would you think homeless people don't?
Obama's election was the first of two fundemantal shifts in American politics. Yesterday's vote was the second.
We're losing the middle class. The days of making a middle-class income without a college degree or specialized training are gone. The only jobs like that left are in government employment.
We've borrowed our way into staggering debt. We have no conceivable way of paying it back. We "borrowed" all the money from Social Security to pay for things politicians wanted to give to their constituents in exchange for constituent's votes. When that ran dry, we started borrwing from the Chinese. Wonder why their market is down today?
I completely understand the desire to "fix" healthcare. And I do believe in helping my fellow man that's unable to help himself. But this healthcare bill is re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Until we (a) fix the economy and (b) come up with a plan to reform health care that truly addresses the actual problems with the system, it's all just window dressing.
We're losing the middle class. The days of making a middle-class income without a college degree or specialized training are gone. The only jobs like that left are in government employment.
We've borrowed our way into staggering debt. We have no conceivable way of paying it back. We "borrowed" all the money from Social Security to pay for things politicians wanted to give to their constituents in exchange for constituent's votes. When that ran dry, we started borrwing from the Chinese. Wonder why their market is down today?
I completely understand the desire to "fix" healthcare. And I do believe in helping my fellow man that's unable to help himself. But this healthcare bill is re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Until we (a) fix the economy and (b) come up with a plan to reform health care that truly addresses the actual problems with the system, it's all just window dressing.
Tommy Gun
Charter Member
LOL Good one.
But surely no one thinks that the current healthcare changes are aimed at these people.
They dont even vote.
Well there is absolutey one group that the healthcare changes weren't aimed at...Congress; the Democratic bastards voted to keep their elite plan.
fund razor
Founding Member
Somebody looted them like a tv set in a hurricane?
LOL Good one.
But surely no one thinks that the current healthcare changes are aimed at these people.
They dont even vote.
My strong belief is that the current healthcare changes are aimed at making our population dependednt upon the government. And, as such, making one party's jobs that much more secure.
I'm a pretty practical guy. That makes me a bit of a cynic. But I'm rarely far off the mark.
This is one of those areas where my cynicism was proven- I'm a bit involved in local politics, so I get to see some of the sausage being made. Some years back I noticed a particularly heated race. Alot of money was flowing to the campaigns of both contestants. The position was Juvenile Court Judge. I'm thinking to myself "Of all the judgeships, that's about the lowest profile. And of all offices, judges are about the lowest profile. So why?" There was an easy answer- of all the county's elected offices, this particular post had the greatest number of employees. One judge oversaw dozens of referees, counselors, court employees and so on. More jobs equals more patronage. More patronage equals an easier job to hang on to.
The sole mission of an elected official is to hang onto their job. Doing good is somewhere down the line. If I'm the politician that you HAVE TO have in order to keep your life in the present, comfortable form that you've grown accustomed to, then it's alot easier to keep my job.
Inevitably, we're going to run out of places to borrow tomorrow's money to pay for things today. We may even be past the point of being able to fix it. And when that point comes, all the socialized medicine and Social Security and government jobs are going to evaporate. There won't be any dollars to give out- or at least the one's we're giving out won't be worth anything.
Sorry Cat, but the Canadians actually save their own money and come to the U.S. paying cash for medical services.
phragle
Charter Member
History is littered with ancient failed civilizations. Ultimate failure is the norm. The Myans, the Egyptions, the Roman empire..... Dare we think our little 230 year old experiment is somehow special? Every candle that has burned bright has burnt out.
We will survive, our children are going to have it rough, our grandchildren are phucked.
We will survive, our children are going to have it rough, our grandchildren are phucked.
jayboat
Banned
Obfuscation
Was he the president in Sept 2007???
Your post- your claim is total BS. Typical - take a non-issue and try to make it into something it is not.
If he had managed to get us out already, you would be screaming that the terrahists had won.
But it is not surprising - just a typical repub tactic - lots of hand-wringing and predictions of doom. Too bad you don't realize it's the GOP that is going down. Isn't it about time that you started worrying about the important stuff? :smash:
David Frum
If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.
So today’s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it’s mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it’s Waterloo all right: ours.
Andrew Sprung
The flip side of Obama's perhaps naive belief that he can win Republicans over is his ability to show them up. Americans are confused about the plan, but they are not confused about the man. By large margins they trust Obama more than they do the Republicans to produce rational solutions to the country's problems. In the past month, he exploited his mastery of policy detail, his pragmatism, his focus on effectively alleviating the suffering he spotlighted, and his willingness to stake his political future on getting this bill passed to the utmost. The full eloquence and passion of the campaign came back to his lips in forum after forum and speech after speech.
To Democratic legislators, his message was that this bill epitomized why they had sought public office and why they were Democrats; it was the raison d'etre for their careers; in effect, passing it was worth their careers (and would make or break his own).
Was he the president in Sept 2007???
Your post- your claim is total BS. Typical - take a non-issue and try to make it into something it is not.
If he had managed to get us out already, you would be screaming that the terrahists had won.
But it is not surprising - just a typical repub tactic - lots of hand-wringing and predictions of doom. Too bad you don't realize it's the GOP that is going down. Isn't it about time that you started worrying about the important stuff? :smash:
David Frum
If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.
So today’s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it’s mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it’s Waterloo all right: ours.
Andrew Sprung
The flip side of Obama's perhaps naive belief that he can win Republicans over is his ability to show them up. Americans are confused about the plan, but they are not confused about the man. By large margins they trust Obama more than they do the Republicans to produce rational solutions to the country's problems. In the past month, he exploited his mastery of policy detail, his pragmatism, his focus on effectively alleviating the suffering he spotlighted, and his willingness to stake his political future on getting this bill passed to the utmost. The full eloquence and passion of the campaign came back to his lips in forum after forum and speech after speech.
To Democratic legislators, his message was that this bill epitomized why they had sought public office and why they were Democrats; it was the raison d'etre for their careers; in effect, passing it was worth their careers (and would make or break his own).
LotoSteve
New member
Wasn't it Caesar that said kill all the lawyers.
catastrophe
Registered
I stand by my post, and I will discontinue the debate since it is off-topic and I am not going to argue with other people's ideas, form your own or keep the pundit's to yourself.
Was he the president in Sept 2007???
Your post- your claim is total BS. Typical - take a non-issue and try to make it into something it is not.
If he had managed to get us out already, you would be screaming that the terrahists had won.
But it is not surprising - just a typical repub tactic - lots of hand-wringing and predictions of doom. Too bad you don't realize it's the GOP that is going down. Isn't it about time that you started worrying about the important stuff? :smash:
David Frum
If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.
So today’s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it’s mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it’s Waterloo all right: ours.
Andrew Sprung
The flip side of Obama's perhaps naive belief that he can win Republicans over is his ability to show them up. Americans are confused about the plan, but they are not confused about the man. By large margins they trust Obama more than they do the Republicans to produce rational solutions to the country's problems. In the past month, he exploited his mastery of policy detail, his pragmatism, his focus on effectively alleviating the suffering he spotlighted, and his willingness to stake his political future on getting this bill passed to the utmost. The full eloquence and passion of the campaign came back to his lips in forum after forum and speech after speech.
To Democratic legislators, his message was that this bill epitomized why they had sought public office and why they were Democrats; it was the raison d'etre for their careers; in effect, passing it was worth their careers (and would make or break his own).
It wasn't Caesar, but someone of equal fame and stature. It was the charachter "Dick the Butcher" in Shakespeare's Henry VI.
The line was framed in a sentiment of disposing of people standing in the way of an anarchist revolution. It wasn't a line written as a positive sentiment.
phragle
Charter Member
Of course this is only MY PERSONAL OPINION
When discussing issues that matter to you tell me your opinion, explain to me why you think that way, explain to me why you think my logic is flawed. Maybe use a link as a reference, but I believe your posts should stand on their own merit. If one was writing an argument paper and the paper consisted predominatly of someone elses work, it would not get a passing grade, much less make a solid argument. Show me you care enough about a subject to have an opinion, explain to me why you think I should agree with YOU, not some random blogger or whoever.
This is not to be construed as an attack for C&P, this is a plea for honest, open candid discussion. I love mint chocolate chip ice cream, I think it tastes good, it puts a smile on my face when I eat it, it's very refreshing to me on a hot day, I thionk you should try it!! That has much more impact than a cut and paste from the american dairy council.
When discussing issues that matter to you tell me your opinion, explain to me why you think that way, explain to me why you think my logic is flawed. Maybe use a link as a reference, but I believe your posts should stand on their own merit. If one was writing an argument paper and the paper consisted predominatly of someone elses work, it would not get a passing grade, much less make a solid argument. Show me you care enough about a subject to have an opinion, explain to me why you think I should agree with YOU, not some random blogger or whoever.
This is not to be construed as an attack for C&P, this is a plea for honest, open candid discussion. I love mint chocolate chip ice cream, I think it tastes good, it puts a smile on my face when I eat it, it's very refreshing to me on a hot day, I thionk you should try it!! That has much more impact than a cut and paste from the american dairy council.
Tommy Gun
Charter Member
So a campaign promise doesn't count? WTF, he proclaimed a bunch of crap and told a bunch of lies to garner votes, but that doesn't count? WTF The fact is he is a liar who did so to gain power and is now attempting to implement a socialist agenda. So this is a non-issue?
I don't think he stated he agreed with Obama's promise to withdraw, only that Obama did in fact make the promise and he provided quotes of said promise. Just one more example of an Obama lie. (or was it a mis-statement?)
phragle
Charter Member
It may come to a point where an anarchist revolution may seem like a viable option.....
