Discussion about Picture Sizing

[Pete B]

It does on my screen!

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

progress

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[SHARKEY-IMAGES]

Does #18 and #34 appear to have the same width on your screen Rexone?

They should be. Both images are 800 wide.

 

[Strip Poker 388]

this is 800 X 600

Pete I get the pick as a 800x409.... It looks streched to me .like wide screen


These 2 picks are 1024x685 and a 800x535


Iam sure the thumbnails save on band width

 

[Strip Poker 388]

My screen resolution is set at 1680x1050,32bit color,dpi is (norm 96) its a 23inch screen,


If someone wants to save a pick,I would figure they would want the higher rez and bigger size to save? but at 800x600 to me its to small,The thumbnails take up less band width and if they want to look at a full size picture double click to get the full version,The picks I take end up being 3264x2448.

To me its a pain to down load on a host web site then put it in a thread

 

[Rexone]

Does #18 and #34 appear to have the same width on your screen Rexone?

They are identical on my screen. They have to be as they are both 800 px wide. On different screen setting, as mentioned, they will appear as different size but both still the same regardless of what that size is because both pics are still 800 pix wide.

You have to separate screen resolution from picture resolution in your mind... they are not the same animal. Screen setting (your screen) is set for viewing ie: 600 x 800, 768 x 1024 etc etc etc, a myriad of other choices with different screens. Picture resolution or more accurately for this discussion, "picture size" is a set thing when that picture is saved. If it is saved at 800 pixels wide, that is what it is until someone else actually resizes the actual photo using some form of software. So (2) 800 pixel wide pictures will appear identical width on any given screen. They will just appear smaller on a screen that is set to a higher "Screen" resolution. So that 800 pixel wide picture will fill the screen of someone who's screen size is set at 600 x 800 wide but will appear small to SP388 because his screen size is set much higher at 1680 wide x 1050 (will fill only a little under half his screen width)...

To further the discussion at the risk of confusion (hope not) I will briefly discuss actual picture resolution, in other words, dpi or (dots per inch) the picture file is actually saved at (completely different than screen resolution or screen size). Since I do both website and print work I have a good grasp of this but it was not an overnight thing and something that easily confuses many at first glance. The pictures you view online are "typically" saved at a resolution of 72 dpi or 96 dpi. The argument is that that is all the eye can see on screen. I say argument because there is one if you research this subject... but we won't go there for this basic discussion of picture resolution. Photos saved for print, by contrast, (and photos typically saved by higher end DSLR camera's) are a higher resolution. The general standard for print photos is 300 dpi. Some cameras produce this resolution directly and if not a Photo editing program like Photoshop or Fireworks can easily interpolate (resize) them. So you can have an 800 x 600 photo saved at 72 dpi and another similar 800 x 600 photo saved at 300 dpi. Both these photos appear identical dimensionally on a computer screen but the 300 dpi photo will have a hugely larger file size (more color information saved in the file). This is the reason websites don't want hi resolution OR large size (even at low resolution) photos posted as they gobble up server and user computer resources unnecessarily. Large file size photos also impact download time to the user computer regardless of where the pictures are hosted. Conversely, low rez photos don't work on a printing press. It takes much higher resolution to print sharp and clear (hence the 300 dpi standard for print work). You can plainly see this by taking a low rez photo from the web and printing it out on your high end ink jet printer... it will be soft (at best) and blurry (at worst) depending on the photo quality.

This is why ideally pictures designed for use on the web or more specifically a forum site like this one, should be about 800 pixels wide at about 72-96 dpi. Most users have their screens set at around 1024 x 768 these days and it's what "most" websites are designed to work with. Obviously as said before this size picture will appear small to someone with high screen size settings. This screen size category is not the majority though in terms of a cross section of computer users. Most have a typical 17 to 19 inch monitor (measured horizontally like a TV) these days with 1024 x 768 rez being about the average.

Hope that was not too basic or lengthly. I know there will be basic users and those with higher knowledge levels reading so I always try to lay this out at a basic level so those folks can begin to understand all this stuff.

 

[Pete B]

Pete I get the pick as a 800x409.... It looks streched to me .like wide screen


These 2 picks are 1024x685 and a 800x535


Iam sure the thumbnails save on band width

the hgt is 409 due to the fact it is a cropped photo, the width is 800 and thats what the mods want to fit between the frames of the thread.
I like the 1024 better, but if it screws things up for some, I would rather make them a bit smaller. thumbnails to me are a pita. I usually skip threads when the pics are formatted this way , maybe I'm lazy when it comes to surfing. does using a different host use more bandwidth??

 

[Chris]

We have a new piece of software that makes thumbnails instantly pop to full size in a transparent window. Try it- kinda' cool.

 

[Pete B]

alrighty then

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

Cool Shot Pete

 

[Strip Poker 388]

these are full screen shot picks

first pick screen is 800x600
2nd pick at at 1280x1024
3rd ..............1680x1280,I like this one better on my screen the 1280 and below gets grainy,1680 lettering is smaller compared to the 800 which is like kindergarten/blind person big.


Rexone how do I ck the DPI of a photo????

Thanks

 

[Strip Poker 388]

at the 1680 size I can split the screen and surf 2 sites at once ,or 2 threads


I see the sites auto picture re sizer is at 813x 510, it was a 1672x1049

 

[Pete B]

These wont be of Print quality after I post them. only the originals are of that quality.

 

[Rexone]

SP388, to check pic size simply right click on the pic and go to properties. It should show you the dimensions and file size.

You can also see this by viewing the file in Windows Explorer in the "detail" viewing mode on your machine.

Yes the site is auto resizing the attachments it appears. If you host off the site tho you will see pics full size and that is where everyone needs to self regulate by resizing themselves before hosting (some hosting sites do it too).

 

[Rexone]

opps sorry you said check dpi. you can't do that by viewing properties. You can do it tho in most photo editing programs. I personally use Photoshop because I do a lot of photo work but there are cheaper programs and several free ones.

If you have MS Office 2003 it includes a program call Microsoft Picture Manager under Office Tools. You can do basic resizing in this and it will tell you the dpi (resolution) of the photo.

I believe you can do the same in Office 2000 with the earlier version which I believe is called MS photo editor... I don't have that on this particular machine so I will check it later and edit post if this is incorrect or if the earlier version won't show you the dpi.

I am poor and cannot afford the late Office so 2003 is as far as I go. I'm sure the late ones have similar capability. I am poor due to the aquisition of Photoshop CS3 extended and Lightroom 2, both of which I highly recommend for serious photo work.

Remember when resizing pics you can downsize and retain quality but you cannot upsize (much). In other words you can't grab a pic off the internet and resize it to 300 dpi and expect decent quality for printing large. Photo editing programs use a process called interpolation when resizing. Basically they guess what adjacent pixels should look like when upsizing in terms of color value of pixels. You will not get sharp pics upsizing in this manner (for print work). You have to start with the hi rez file.

 

[cigdaze]

Thread split, and updated the original.

 

[clayinaustin]

Here is an 800x600 pic. It that the right size?

 

[clayinaustin]

Here is the same pic at 1024x768

 

[cigdaze]

They're great!.

 

[clayinaustin]

Note - My screen size is 1280 x 1024, so the larger pic is fully visible and does not cause scrolling on my IE window.