Copeland's Phenomenon

[BOJOE2]

I was told they were going after the propeller-driven speed record, which (at least in the APBA record books), is held by Russ Wicks at 205 mph. (Check out http://speedonthewater.com for a little more information.)

As for 317 mph being possible ... I defer to T2X.

nice matt it all looks good keep up the good work like the quote from kw lol

 

[Chris]

The boat has 4 lycoming t55-l7c engines built in auburn wa. By competition specialties inc.

Hi. Pretty informed comment for a first post. Welcome to the board- introduce yourself.

 

[BBB725]

I kind of agree with Dolla on this one. Boat is running 170MPH for 2 miles, then gets a blip up to 172MPH; I think the record should be recorded as 172MPH.

Sanctioned, GPS, radar, etc all in place- just the absolute highest recorded as the record. The lowest of the devices used with a minimum of 2 or 3 with no more than a 1% or whatever is normal deviation.

I mean going under bridge and gaining 10MPH is one thing- saying within reason of what they are running. Like 2-3% max- like 170 could be 172 but not 179

What about top fuel boats they must run almost mid 200's in the quarter mile?

 

[Davidmnc]

Thats too easy.. It needs to be an average of opposite directions.

Bar talk and Records are two different things.:USA:

There are no flukes in this record system. But maybe there should be two types of records. One for average spped over a distance, and one for highest acheaved top speed.

 

[DollaBill]

There are no flukes in this record system. But maybe there should be two types of records. One for average spped over a distance, and one for highest acheaved top speed.

Thats a compromise. I mean lets use a 1/4 mile drag car as an example (not bracket racing) even though i don't really know alot baout the sport.

But I do know that when you make a run and you see a time and speed at the end of the track thats the number. They don't tell those guys to go run a few more times and we'll average it for you

 

[T2x]

Easy fellas. Let's keep this on the high road. We appreciate both your opinions, and let's keep this on a path of continued good discussion.

"The problem with good discussion is the abundance of empty headed ideas"


I love my quotes.......




Back to the post, and some counterpoint for discussion purposes:

I'm not sure where this effort is leading us.

One can go after the World's propeller driven record in a more reasonably sized and priced boat. So, with that said, are we talking about the World's "Offshore" propeller driven record?..... Ken Warby has proved that you can exceed 300 mph with a single jet powered (28 Foot?) hydro...should we be looking to build a multiple jet powered 80 foot version of that hull? Where does a 747 with pontoons enter into this discussion?

We have, unfortunately or fortunately, taken some of the edge of death in pursuit of glory out of the eguation (not necessarily a bad thing) and replaced it with bigger, better, more horsepower.... (a credo that Al sr. lived by). The drawback is that anything, taken to the extreme, becomes mundane. I am about to enter a 500+ plus mph commercial airplane to fly from Denver to Newark. This experience would have been unheard of even 60 years ago except among the best military pilots and impossible 5 years before that, yet today I'll be accompanied by a bunch of businessmen, soccer moms, and mall rats in the same airborne, aluminum tube with pressurization and HVAC......with some peanuts thrown in.

Maybe speed records should be kept within restricted classes/sizes if only to prolong the time until we all will simply beam our atomic structures over the world's seas at the speed of light...........

Damn that was deep.........

T2x

 

[cigdaze]

Evil Knievel could have sat at home, too, but where's the adventure in that?
(That was not so deep).

 

[Steve 1]

Records are by the Rules period otherwise the Russians could claim it with the Caspian Sea Monster which is the size of a 747 and runs 500 Knots. Then we would have to make more rules about Boat size to beat them from the office which is the Cowards path.

 

[DollaBill]

how does one get in here with a head that big?

Now thats deep Nick.

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

There are no flukes in this record system. But maybe there should be two types of records. One for average spped over a distance, and one for highest acheaved top speed.

Thats a compromise. I mean lets use a 1/4 mile drag car as an example (not bracket racing) even though i don't really know alot baout the sport.

But I do know that when you make a run and you see a time and speed at the end of the track thats the number. They don't tell those guys to go run a few more times and we'll average it for you

Back to the same thing again.. Speed records are done by average. Drag racing is against the lights. The speed is what it is. You can get beat by a higher speed.. Totally different.

If you want to call a gps peak speed a record you can.. But it is only a barstool record. They are a dime a dozen.

A World Record is an accomplishment.

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

how does one get in here with a head that big?

Now that is funny:sifone:

 

[DollaBill]

theres more to that mercman LOL

 

[db71]

Actually in drag racing for it to be a record you have to back it up within a certain timeframe and it has to be within so many tenths of the original run (they may average them I do not recall) maybe not going a different direction but they still have to back it up

 

[T2x]

how does one get in here with a head that big?

Now thats deep Nick.

It's not that my head is so big...... it's about average

Rather it's that (fill in the blanks)

T2x

 

[T2x]

Actually in drag racing for it to be a record you have to back it up within a certain timeframe and it has to be within so many tenths of the original run (they may average them I do not recall) maybe not going a different direction but they still have to back it up

This is why rules were made. I once made a reference to the legality of a record set while running down Niagara Falls (I wonder what Reggie and Bennie "woulda seen" in that one?), but you get the picture. If Warby set his record running approximately 6 inches above the water's surface, where do you draw the altitude line (i.e. An F-16 at 3 meters)? Hence the need for rules, backup runs (2 way average to compensate for wind and current), and spirit and intent (how does a 12 Billion dollar effort count against a sub $100,000 attempt (Warby)?).

I have the greatest respect for speed record attempts and the record holders themselves, but I also think that everything needs some kind of context to make sense. Since (all things being equal, and they rarely are), 200 mph in a 40 foot boat is the rough equivalent of 100 mph in a 20 footer, should there be some kind of scale speed matrix to levelize these attempts?

T2x

 

[T2x]

theres more to that mercman LOL

Probably not much, however.

 

[Steve 1]

Here is a Quote from an Article I read ;Top Fuel Crazy Fast Boat, Problem Child.

the world’s fastest prop driven boat after tearing up the waters off San Diego with an elapsed time of 4.56 seconds at a speed of 265.52 miles-per-hour

 

[MikeyFIN]

Middle picture shows 4 thin steps, not deep/pronouced like a Cigarette

Unneccessary in a Cat...

 

[DAREDEVIL]

Here is a Quote from an Article I read ;Top Fuel Crazy Fast Boat, Problem Child.

the world’s fastest prop driven boat after tearing up the waters off San Diego with an elapsed time of 4.56 seconds at a speed of 265.52 miles-per-hour

Which boat was that ???????????

 

[T2x]

Which boat was that ???????????

The top fuel guys have been going over 200 for years.........

At present they solve the torque problem by splitting the power from a single engine into two prop shafts counter rotated.

The speeds we see today from even the Turbine boats are not new territory, an Unlimited Hydro, Miss U.S., hit 200mph ( 2 ways/one mile measured) in 1962. The only difference today is the cats are MUCH bigger and costlier and , believe it or not, it was much more dangerous in years past (open cockpits).

T2x