AIG makes me sick

MacGyver

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AIG receives a taxpayer bailout of $170 billion dollars. Then they turn around and give out $165 million to its executives in bonuses. Even after they lost $61.7 billion in the fourth quarter last year. They get a bonus for not making money? :huh:

Don't they phucking get it?
 
actually the treasury dept signed off on it, AIG was contractually obligated to pay out those bonuses, otherwise it would of faced lawsuits from those employees. AIG didn't have much of a choice.

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actually the treasury dept signed off on it, AIG was contractually obligated to pay out those bonuses, otherwise it would of faced lawsuits from those employees. AIG didn't have much of a choice.

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The government should have stepped in and said, no way. Not give them the green light.
 
The government should have stepped in and said, no way. Not give them the green light.

Do I agree with bonuses when the company's losing money? No.

But it's better then the alternative.

Are you sure you want the government to be making business decisions?

Cause they might step in and make them all:eek:
 
actually the treasury dept signed off on it, AIG was contractually obligated to pay out those bonuses, otherwise it would of faced lawsuits from those employees. AIG didn't have much of a choice.

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Must be a great contract for the employees. Lose money get a bonus

Stupid company
 
It is BS...contractual or not I find it hard to believe that there is not some kind of escape clause for the company based on the overall perfomance of the company. In my companys bonus policy that is absolutely the case.

I feel for the employee that did their job, hit their benchmarks and feel they are entitled to the bonus...but I really dislike having my tax dollars pay it.
 
MacGyver;Don't they phucking get it?[/QUOTE said:
Yes ,they do get it , they got the money from the profits on the CDS'S and the taxpayer money ,so , really , they are making a double...


The best way to solve this would have been to let them go bankrupt in the first place!


WASHINGTON - American International Group is set to pay $450 million of bonuses to employees of the unit that was largely responsible for the New York insurer's near collapse last fall.

The decision to pay bonuses elicited howls of protest in Washington, which has prevented the failure of AIG by providing the insurer with more than $173 billion in aid. The federal government now owns 80% of AIG (AIG:American International Group Inc

Larry Summers, one of President Barack Obama's top economic advisers, called the payments "outrageous," and a key House lawmaker, Barney Frank, D.-Mass., told Fox News that the government should examine whether the bonuses are "legally recoverable."


Another Democrat, Rep. Elijah Cummings, D.-Md., renewed his call for AIG Chief Executive Edward Liddy to resign.

Liddy, in a letter to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner dated Saturday, said AIG had committed to paying the bonuses to employees of the financial-products unit and that they were "binding obligations" the company cannot legally rescind. The first payments are due March 15.


"I do not like these arrangements and find it distasteful and difficult to recommend to you that we must proceed with them," wrote Liddy, citing the recommendation from the insurer's legal counsel.


The payments to 400 employees of the financial-services unit -- some of whom no longer work at the insurer -- were promised last year before the federal government bailout. Bonuses range from as little as $1,000 to as much as $6.5 million.


Summers said the government would examine its options, but he acknowledged it might not be able to terminate prior bonus agreements.
"We are a country of law. There are contracts. The government cannot just abrogate contracts," he said in an interview Sunday on ABC's "This Week."
AIG is already scheduled to pay $121.5 million in incentive payments for 2008 to senior executives and 6,400 of its employees. And AIG is laying out another $619 million for 2009 in retention payments to more than 4,000 employees.
Total expected payments amount to almost $1.2 billion.


Regarding future incentive payments Liddy told Geithner the company cannot retain its best employees if their compensation is subject to "continued and arbitrary adjustment by the U.S. Treasury." If AIG loses its best employees, he indicated, it would make it harder for the company to recover and help the government recoup its investment.

Liddy also pointed out he won't receive a bonus and that the company cut bonus payments for it senior executives. The top 25 executives in the financial-product unit, moreover, have agreed to accept a salary of just $1 for the rest of 2009, his letter said.

AIG nearly collapsed under the weight of contracts that the financial-products units sold to protect other institutions against losses from securities backed by subprime mortgages.

Since so many financial firms around the world were insured by AIG, the failure of the firm could deal a devastating blow to the global financial system, Treasury and Federal Reserve officials say in justifying the most expensive bailout ever.



Funny , huh , to retain the best employees....errrrr...crooks!
 
actually the treasury dept signed off on it, AIG was contractually obligated to pay out those bonuses, otherwise it would of faced lawsuits from those employees. AIG didn't have much of a choice.

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If that's true that Treasury signed off on this it's total b.s. The government own's 80% of AIG and if they want to sue the federal government so be it let them start the freaking processs... Either way paying bonuses or commissions when your insolvent and need taxpayer money just to stay afloat is ridiculous.

That's why most of these companies should be forced into bankruptcy if they are insolvent...otherwise your going to keep rewarding people who helped bring them down....who's to say that most of these so called bonuses or commissions aren't tied to failed policies that we (the actual people paying the government) are having to bail out...total b.s. in my book...

Rewarding failure seems to be the Democratic way these days and I can't say that I agree with it one bit....just my $.02...
 
I can't even comment on this it's so stupid!!

We have a small growing business, 4 years in business, and we're contniually turned down for a loan because we haven't been in business long enough, EVEN THOUGH we have doubled our business in those 4 years.

Our government is screwing us every second of every frickin day, and smiling the entire time! MUTHER FUKERS!:boxing_smiley:
 
I am calling complete and utter BS for anyone who says they don't want re government to intervene and cancel these bonuses. WIG came crawling, begging for bailout money. We, The People, gave it to them. These phuckers ran it into the ground and now they would have the audacity to sue for contractual bonuses. They are lucky to not be in jail. And they probably have the nerve to call themselves republicans.

When the automakers asked for money, everyone said the government should bust up the union deals before bailing them out. Let's not be hypocrite here. These contractual bonuses are really not different than the blood sucking union deals that pull the company's profitability or ability to stay in business down.

I demand the government intervene. The capitalist system (read: individual companies) is temporarily boken. Now it's time for the League (read: government) to get it back on track. If the business leaders want to come to grandpa government for some money, they can abide by tyrukes the government will attach to it.
 
I am calling complete and utter BS for anyone who says they don't want the government to intervene and cancel these bonuses. AIG came crawling, begging for bailout money. We, The People, gave it to them. These phuckers ran it into the ground and now they would have the audacity to sue for contractual bonuses. They are lucky to not be in jail. And they probably have the nerve to call themselves republicans.

When the automakers asked for money, everyone said the government should bust up the union deals before bailing them out. Let's not be hypocrite here. These contractual bonuses are really not different than the blood sucking union deals that pull the company's profitability or ability to stay in business down.

I demand the government intervene. The capitalist system (read: individual companies) is temporarily boken. Now it's time for the League (read: government) to get it back on track. If the business leaders want to come to grandpa government for some money, they can abide by tyrukes the government will attach to it.
 
i dont know where the bonuses went, and i agree they should have just let AIG sink, BUT as devils advocate, what if the bonuses went to employees who individually hit all there goals and bench marks and worked their buts off selling loans, in sales arent most jobs and job contracts tied to some sort of incentives for personal success....

still BS either way, but there might be more than we know
 
And I agree it is stupid but if we get pissed off over 100 million while our investment is 170 billion we are nuts. They do need to retain key employees. Sales agents, middle management etc etc. Upper management got them into trouble. Not the people doing their job and what they were told to do. Senior management??? I am not sure what that means? I have a feeling people are getting paid that shouldnt be but some of those people should. If all the talent leaves than we can kiss goodbye the 170 billion we already gave. AIG will be viable again. If it failed, I am not expert but I would say it would be huge....
 
And I agree it is stupid but if we get pissed off over 100 million while our investment is 170 billion we are nuts. They do need to retain key employees. Sales agents, middle management etc etc. Upper management got them into trouble. Not the people doing their job and what they were told to do. Senior management??? I am not sure what that means? I have a feeling people are getting paid that shouldnt be but some of those people should. If all the talent leaves than we can kiss goodbye the 170 billion we already gave. AIG will be viable again. If it failed, I am not expert but I would say it would be huge....

Doesn't matter. If you fail, (like as Stecz's enforcer:)), you don't get a bonus. Without the handout from Us, there would be no company, and therefore, no bonus....


The Gov's a bunch of paid off punks-ass-puzzies....:boxing_smiley:
 
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