Guys trust me on this, I have tried nearly every muffler on the market. On a 1000hp or more supercharged engine with dry exhaust you will not get to a legal decibal limit for the j-2005 or running tests. The mufflers I tried did lower the readings by 6-12 dcb's but when you are at well over 100 dcb's you just cant get legal. I also tried putting on inserts and clamp on's and even that would'nt get me there and chocked the motors so bad they would barely run, and killed performance. I know the turndowns may be new to everyone and take some getting used to, but when Dave Scott uses them with their budget, you know they have tried everything, and he swears by them. they work, I have 2 great sources for them, and they are much less costs then mufflers.