103 in an svl ?

[imco offshore]

All good thoughts but it will cost money to give that level of service to one class. Right now, OPA has held to thier NO ENTRY FEE marketing plan. Is this class willing to pay an entry fee in order to pay for some of these additional services?

Can we at least start by agreeing that 2 into 1 will never be legal in this class? George, you had me..

Ron thats a good shot ,,can i use that ,??

 

[SVL Magnet]

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George,

This is not the first time you are accusing us of cheating ! ......
The better question is : why would anyone in 2010 manipulate engine data from the cockpit of their boat with their personal laptops, when everyone has access to the latest NASA-T.G. Special Project software for SVL's with sealed mercury motors?

This Syncromatics-Telemetry technology allows remote measurements, reporting of information, manipulation of performance and fine tuning of race boats while running. The engine-drive data can be manipulated from terrestrial radio and satellites access from anywhere in the universe. It is an advanced technology to allow your technicians (thousands of miles away from a race site) to maximize the engine performance with a "W Phonewatch" ( http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/techtonic-shifts/2010/02/26/dialing-into-the-future-from-my-wrist.html ). This Phonewatch also allows you to check you email, send picture messages and find directions to your favorite Italian restaurant, all at 3G speeds!

FYI; we also use the "Fleetmatics Tracking System", in all our boats.

We assume you are taking advantage of this advanced technology in your SVL, and therefore the need to take your laptop to your cockpit becomes irrelevant.

Cheers

That is funny,,,,

 

[imco offshore]

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George,

This is not the first time you are accusing us of cheating ! ......
The better question is : why would anyone in 2010 manipulate engine data from the cockpit of their boat with their personal laptops, when everyone has access to the latest NASA-T.G. Special Project software for SVL's with sealed mercury motors?

This Syncromatics-Telemetry technology allows remote measurements, reporting of information, manipulation of performance and fine tuning of race boats while running. The engine-drive data can be manipulated from terrestrial radio and satellites access from anywhere in the universe. It is an advanced technology to allow your technicians (thousands of miles away from a race site) to maximize the engine performance with a "W Phonewatch" ( http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/techtonic-shifts/2010/02/26/dialing-into-the-future-from-my-wrist.html ). This Phonewatch also allows you to check you email, send picture messages and find directions to your favorite Italian restaurant, all at 3G speeds!

FYI; we also use the "Fleetmatics Tracking System", in all our boats.

We assume you are taking advantage of this advanced technology in your SVL, and therefore the need to take your laptop to your cockpit becomes irrelevant.

Cheers

Mike ,,at least you have a sense of humor ,,,,welcome ,,, you do have all the answers,,,,now we just need to keep you talking,,,lol

 

[Steve Miklos]

We cannot expect OPA or SBI to have the tech when and if we come. I have no problem paying a tech fee but I do not speak for anyone else. I think we need to get 5 plus boats showing up and then we could discuss how we would fund any additional tech expenses we would be generating.

Steve

 

[imco offshore]

Originally Posted by SVL 4-Watch Your Back View Post

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George,

This is not the first time you are accusing us of cheating !


Doc I don,t remember of directly accusing you of cheating ,,

again you truly missed all my post points,,,,
I have said
YOU SVL #4 HAVE BEEN EXEMPT FROM TECHNICAL INSPECTION " PROTOCOL"
If any of the other teams have expressed your actions to an technical official we would have been disqualified immediately ,,

 

[SVL 4-Watch Your Back]

Originally Posted by SVL 4-Watch Your Back View Post

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George,

This is not the first time you are accusing us of cheating !


Doc I don,t remember of directly accusing you of cheating ,,

again you truly missed all my post points,,,,
I have said
YOU SVL #4 HAVE BEEN EXEMPT FROM TECHNICAL INSPECTION " PROTOCOL"
If any of the other teams have expressed your actions to an technical official we would have been disqualified immediately ,,

You must have short term memory loss,,

 

[mdkeywest]

Vitamin b-1

 

[Mike A.]

You must have short term memory loss,,

Separate classes for SVL Classic and P1 Evolution Single Engine is the only solution for this absolutely stupid controversy. Simple and easy. Just do it and get it over with already.

 

[Mike A.]

That is funny,,,,

Yep, because even with all of that, they still cannot find their way around the first turn buoy. :bump:

 

[imco offshore]

You must have short term memory loss,,

feel free to refresh me ,,exactly please !

 

[Slandrew]

How would that help? The picture will not tell you what's in the ECM.
Steve

Piece of tape with inspectors sig on it once everybody is finished dialing inThen after that no reason to be messing with it and if you do race official present

 

[heater63]

I like the SVL and P1 Evolution single engine idea,but lose the "Classic".Take this idea and run with it guys.End this destructive thread!Start 2 new ones,One for each and make them constructive.

 

[imco offshore]

IT,S ALL OVER ,,,THEIR WILL BE SOME GREAT RACING IN SVL,,,,
HAVE A GREAT DAY TO ALL,,,SE YA AT THE RACES ,,,:driving:

 

[Racerguymiami]

(Separate classes for SVL Classic and P1 Evolution Single Engine is the only solution for this absolutely stupid controversy. Simple and easy. Just do it and get it over with already.)


So you're suggesting that the current SVL class go on lockdown and any newly manufactured boats can go start a new class? You have added some great input through this thread but that suggestion is absolutely stupid. Who is going to manufacture tooling and boats for a class that doesn't exist and who will even consider buying one? I thought the idea was to grow the numbers in the class. Boat count increases spectator count. Spectator count equals sponsorship potential which again increases boat count.

Didn't this happen before? Only certain manufacturer products allowed in. Fact is that technology evolves, hull efficiency & speeds will increase. Remember these vintage SVL's when they were new. The new technology dominated A-Class and sent the older boats home. SVL class came about and grew to be the most exciting class to watch. Well 771 posts later it appears the new equipment has stirred new excitement. Now, all those old obsolete A-class boats didn't die. They are now the most exciting class to watch in OPA's P-5 class. Throw some more HP in them and most could run P-4. Use the same concept here. Allow the older boats to upgrade the ECM. Steve M, if you could chime in here.
What power can be made from the 525 with an ECM upgrade?
Would this upgrade make a current boat compatable with the Fountain?
Can the current hulls run the increased speed/acceleration safely?

I would think the current racers would be chomping at the bit on this one. It gives them an edge and actually penelizes the newer boats.

 

[Racerguymiami]

(IT,S ALL OVER ,,,THEIR WILL BE SOME GREAT RACING IN SVL,,,,
HAVE A GREAT DAY TO ALL,,,SE YA AT THE RACES ,,,)

George, I enjoyed meeting you in Sunny Isles. It was great talking to you but the head in the sand approach will not aid in resolution to the issues with the class.

 

[mdkeywest]

arty:

 

[Steve Miklos]

Piece of tape with inspectors sig on it once everybody is finished dialing inThen after that no reason to be messing with it and if you do race official present

The problem is the inspector (s) cannot tech the ECM's internal code/parameters. There is also potentially a problem with a service mode being accessed on the 525.
Steve

 

[Mike A.]

(Separate classes for SVL Classic and P1 Evolution Single Engine is the only solution for this absolutely stupid controversy. Simple and easy. Just do it and get it over with already.)


So you're suggesting that the current SVL class go on lockdown and any newly manufactured boats can go start a new class? You have added some great input through this thread but that suggestion is absolutely stupid. Who is going to manufacture tooling and boats for a class that doesn't exist and who will even consider buying one? I thought the idea was to grow the numbers in the class. Boat count increases spectator count. Spectator count equals sponsorship potential which again increases boat count.

Didn't this happen before? Only certain manufacturer products allowed in. Fact is that technology evolves, hull efficiency & speeds will increase. Remember these vintage SVL's when they were new. The new technology dominated A-Class and sent the older boats home. SVL class came about and grew to be the most exciting class to watch. Well 771 posts later it appears the new equipment has stirred new excitement. Now, all those old obsolete A-class boats didn't die. They are now the most exciting class to watch in OPA's P-5 class. Throw some more HP in them and most could run P-4. Use the same concept here. Allow the older boats to upgrade the ECM. Steve M, if you could chime in here.
What power can be made from the 525 with an ECM upgrade?
Would this upgrade make a current boat compatable with the Fountain?
Can the current hulls run the increased speed/acceleration safely?

I would think the current racers would be chomping at the bit on this one. It gives them an edge and actually penelizes the newer boats.

Not one of your assumptions is even remotely accurate. Boat count does not equal more spectators and more sponsorship opps. Moreover, history shows you cannot add new technology into old classes and expect the class to grow. A class and B class are perfect examples of how the opposite occurs. I agree that manufacturers will not build boats for a class which does not exist. The answer then is to create the class - P1 Evolution single engine. If it is truly the next great thing then the new boats will come. If not, then, well, it never really had merit in the first place.

Understand something else - my suggestion has nothing to do with helping manufacturers or building the sport. Been there, done that. Rather, it is to help the older equipment SVL teams maintain their investments and have fun. They do not need to be anyone else's bitch, and they certainly do not need know-nothing jack-offs telling them they suck and need to stop drinking beer in order to beat some guy whose only claim to fame is that he bought an old fast boat which he runs around by himself - and not always in the right direction - and pretends to be the greatest racer ever. Excuse me...uke:

So look, build your boat and go race the Fountain, and if you win, awesome. But be prepared to spend more money, time, and resources tooling up your next Fountain killer because Reggie ain't coming back with the same weapon next time. Have fun.

 

[Ratickle]

1) OSS P1 has no rules.
2) Everyone in the class is breaking the no rules.
3} If you race and win you are shunned.
4} Lack of sportsmanship.
5} Racers do not get along.
6} Any positive input is being ignored.

Really, it's gone from illegal hulls to modified bottoms and now to modified ECM's. This thread is like watching the 'Madhouse' series.

Moving forward. The speed of the Fountain and any new technology that may appear seems to be an issue. What are the options?

New rule to slow down the new technology? Not Likely. Speed up the older boats with an ECM mod. Likely. Take it to a vote.

Sealed ECM's. How hard can it be to seal the ECM plugs. Drill them and seal them. Have a tamper proof sleeve manufactured that fits over the ECM plugs and seal it.

Hull mods on older boats? Even though I suggested this in an earlier post I truly believe that it shouldn't be allowed at all. No hull mods unless proved to add safety to the occupants with no performance gain.

Each participating boats original mold should be measured and each participating boat should be measured. Templates should be made and boats checked at each race site during pre-race tech.

The tech team. These individulals need to have no ties to any of the racers, engine manufacturers/re-builders or boat manufacturers.

Adopt a set of existing rules that will do the class well and make adjustments. With that said, these are only suggestions. So who is going to start the process?

I'm not sure the sealed ECM would do it as far as reprogramming backwards through the system. But, I'll look into it.

As far as the bottom, I actually do not think templates are needed. But, accurate distances betwen key features may be. Put you ideas out there, everyone is watching and thinking.

 

[Ratickle]

Tech

Tech is expensive for a sanctioning body. With no guarantee of who will show up when how can OPA or SBI have inspectors and tools at each race site in case we do? To tech 5 SVL's pre and post at the level needed would take 2 good guys with skills. Bob Owen has done it before and knows how time consuming it can be.

The working conditions are less than good and the racers are not always courteous or cooperative. The cost to have tech would be about $3K per race for the sanctioning body. The more rules the more tech that is needed.

At this time we (Svl racers) need to handle the tech ourselves as much as possible and be happy OPA and SBI give us a place to race.
Steve

I think Steve is close to the answer.

Any volunteers for tech inspection at races??????