Absolutely. Hard to believe that the sport has sunk so low that there are people out there who actually say with a straight face that running around by yourself is harder than actually racing. Good freakin' grief.
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Absolutely. Hard to believe that the sport has sunk so low that there are people out there who actually say with a straight face that running around by yourself is harder than actually racing. Good freakin' grief.
Ron P
Charter Member / Competitor
Seems like you guys are giving Octain a pass on the engine swap at LOTO. Would it have been the same - non event - status if the Doc pulled that move?
MANITIE
Charter Member / Competitor
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imco offshore
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ron did you miss this
imco offshore
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Originally Posted by Wahoo 214 View Post
What would have been cool, would have been if all the SVL ran in the same "stock" class to see who really has the speed
Dean that would be cool,,IF THEY DID THAT AT A RACE,,,,,,??
did you miss this too
What would have been cool, would have been if all the SVL ran in the same "stock" class to see who really has the speed
Dean that would be cool,,IF THEY DID THAT AT A RACE,,,,,,??
did you miss this too
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
Lance said he may do that, on the forums in open, months ago. It appeared as if it met all the rules. Which, it did.
There was no notification a class had been added to split up canopy Vee's of that length into seperate classes. The 525 is not considered a stock engine until this years event, and I cannot find out when it was added, still checking.
Some make way to much of stuff like this. It was a cool idea, it fell within the rules, (they were not disqualified, they won the class as originally spec'd and Doc won the "new" SVL class with "stock 525" engines), they are both safe, and it was kinda neat to watch (even the spin:sifone
. And to answer you Ron, the results would have been the same with the "players" on the opposite sides.
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
"tweaking or modifications" as in modifying a boat hull and deck so it fits a smaller class?
Under the rules, if the only difference is "deleting" the swim platform, yes.....
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
The engine swap was within the rules as originally posted. They were reviewed by multiple people before the swap. There was no such thing as an SVL class, it was a canopy Vee class within the 27' to 31' range. And the 525 is not a stock engine by rule until this SVL class was added, which wasn't published that anyone knew about.
The game plan was to have the fastest boat in the class, PV3M, and have fun. I wish I had known before the event, it would have been fun to know. They probably didn't trust my secret carrying abilities....
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
Running a 24 batboat in C5 will put hair on your ballz. I was never so happy to move to a 38 with suspension seats.
Morehead is someone who obviously has never been in a race or payed attention to what has happened over the years in racing and what some of these guys have accomplished.
Steve Miklos
Charter Member / Competitor
It seems to me Moorehead boater and Earthwerks are on exactly the same page.
Steve
:_boobies:
Steve Miklos
Charter Member / Competitor
Ron you ran 93MPH with me in my boat during a race in 2003 with the early spec Vortec. Do you really believe that is all that boat has?
Steve
Sean H
Charter Member
Lance said he may do that, on the forums in open, months ago. It appeared as if it met all the rules. Which, it did.
There was no notification a class had been added to split up canopy Vee's of that length into seperate classes. The 525 is not considered a stock engine until this years event, and I cannot find out when it was added, still checking.
Some make way to much of stuff like this. It was a cool idea, it fell within the rules, (they were not disqualified, they won the class as originally spec'd and Doc won the "new" SVL class with "stock 525" engines), they are both safe, and it was kinda neat to watch (even the spin:sifone
And to answer you Ron, the results would have been the same with the "players" on the opposite sides.
the engine classification never changed. It has always been S, F, M and P.
500 Hp, 500 efi, 525 has been Factory for over a decade. Nothing was changed. A modifiend N/A engine is in M class, that hasn't changed in probably 2 decades. No classes were changed, as a 525 would have always been in the F class. Octance was DQ'd out of that class and put in the correct M class.
Stock is for things like 496 Mag/HO, 502's, etc. The Factory class came from the need to seperate Mercury Racing products from true stock engines.
Or he is a guy who runs around by himself in a big fast boat thinking that is really something.
Especially when they come by the finish /start line , With hands off the wheel !.
One Time While explaining the talent it takes to do this and why I would love to participate in it to my wife !We see the driver in a high profile " OVER 30 ft " boat waving at his girlfreind thru the f-15 canopy .
You cant do that in an svl . At least not the one I was being taught in .
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Ron P
Charter Member / Competitor
No I didn't miss it. But I'm not clear on what you are saying...or implying?
Seems like you are implying someone is tampering with something in the boat. Correct? If so, why don't you guys swap ECM units right before the race?
I had to buy 20 ECMs from Merc Racing for the Cat Lite and 850 class because of rumors of the exact same thing. Call OSS and see if you can borrow a few.
Gordo
Competitor
True. Years ago a few of us with actual F1 boats, a couple of F2 boats, and an original F3 boat got together with the Fire officials that ran the event and agreed that a stock/pleasure 454 or 502Mag was not a fair match for a Factory class HP500 boat. That was the year that V1-F1 and V2-F2 was created by the Lake Rescue officials. Later, they allowed the 525 to keep in line with Pro series classes.
Ron P
Charter Member / Competitor
I believe it runs 95 and the radar guns were slightly off as others have stated when compared to onboard GPS.
The point is....some sort of parity rules need to put in place for next year. I've offered George and a few others my thoughts in writing on how that could happen. I just suprized that no one is discussing how to fix the problem. George is implying that someone is cheating by changing the ECM settings right before the race, using a laptop. I don't believe this is true. I do believe the fountain hull is just a little faster and some form of Parity needs to be put in place. What happens when Outlimits builds a faster SVL? Or Fountain builds a second one that's faster than the first? Then we go through this all over again.
FIX IT NOW. You missed the chance to limit hulls to Phantoms and Extreme.
Steve Miklos
Charter Member / Competitor
How or why would you have an opinion on the legality of this boat?
Do you have direct experience with this boat?
Steve
Lot a smart guys on this thread . Really there are .
Some from OPA, some from SBI . ( current entities )
I know many of you have tried and stumbled , been robbed , whatever . I agree . I've seen some pretty good work dissasembled by an elite few.
It WOULD be nice to see you put aside differences to work on this ONE class " SVL "
No others .
No other changes in youre p- or # classes .
Only " SVL " .
If I have read correctly P-1 wants out of the original agreement ?
The Teams seem to still be on board with something .
Would you ( SBI /OPA ) consider working something for next year ?
I know this question has to be answered over the next few months By them .
Great class . You should strive higher .
It was shown in LOTO that New hull's have no problem starting a new class ,and leaving " classic :sifone:svl,s " behind.
There are more than enough of you to make that new class remain very small .
Some from OPA, some from SBI . ( current entities )
I know many of you have tried and stumbled , been robbed , whatever . I agree . I've seen some pretty good work dissasembled by an elite few.
It WOULD be nice to see you put aside differences to work on this ONE class " SVL "
No others .
No other changes in youre p- or # classes .
Only " SVL " .
If I have read correctly P-1 wants out of the original agreement ?
The Teams seem to still be on board with something .
Would you ( SBI /OPA ) consider working something for next year ?
I know this question has to be answered over the next few months By them .
Great class . You should strive higher .
It was shown in LOTO that New hull's have no problem starting a new class ,and leaving " classic :sifone:svl,s " behind.
There are more than enough of you to make that new class remain very small .
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