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Wobble
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I have heard the same thing from my customers in the UK, France, Japan and Korea. This despite the fact that I avoid politics and religion when talking business.
LaughingCat
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It makes sense if you understand that people outside our borders general view Bush very poorly.
They live in their own countries and focus on their own economies and look into the US like they're viewing a fishbowl at the dentist. They are not emotionally tied into the politics, just how our country effects them. In their eyes, Obama slinging money around to save banks, bailout automakers and stimulate the economy has benefited them too.
Agreed. When this guy goes on vacation seems like there is ALWAYS some crisis. When he went to Nantucket Kennedy Died, Europe (I think it was?) the shootings. Hawaii, the plane bombing. Crazy really.
Wrinkleface
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I resemble that remark!!!!!:biggrinjester:
catastrophe
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A lot of people have said that the one thing he has been successful at is changing the way the USA is thought of around the world.
And thats important.
Tommy Gun
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Yea, the terrorists see as an easy target now.
Sea-Dated
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I could care less what the rest of the world thinks of us.
What I care about is OUR citizens having jobs and being able to put food on the tables for their families.
catastrophe
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And there lies a significant problem.
Wobble
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I'm sorry, but I dont see any justification for that view. We are shunned at global warming conferences because much of the world believes us to be "for global warming":sifone:
There will always be plenty of people that hate us simply because we're an easy target. And there are others that are going to hate us because we oppose their beliefs. Our freedoms, our support of Israel and so on. We're not going to win. But we've also done plenty of short-sighted things in our time that have often come back to haunt us.
We drove the Soviets out of Afghanistan, only to abandon the country. Thus allowing all of what happened in the ensuing decade and a half. And we're about to drive the latest problem out, only to walk away again.
The list of strategic international mis-steps we've stumbled on is long and distinguished. And we never learn from it.
Actually I'm sure there are lot's of people that think we are weaker because of weaker leadership. And that is partially correct. And the problem with having people think we are weak is they will try to push their own agenda and try to advance themselves on the world stage figuring we can not or will not do anything about it. This has been the bane of Democratic presidents in the modern era. Kennedy- Bay of Pigs, Viet nam. Johnson- VN. Carter- Iran, Afghanistan. Clinton Bosnia, Iraq, and the birth of Al Qaeda. Now Obama will be faced with Iran, N Korea, AlQaeda, and a strengthening Russia. And I think that people in other parts of the world thought this was a new kind of President. A man of the world with a vision more like theirs, a more Euro outlook. But as the incompetence of the Administration spreads in big and little ways they have lost confidence.
And that's important too.
nortech4play
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And he will apologize for anything and everything...
I could give a rat's a$$ what some foreigner's think of the United States of America....There are very few countries around the world that I have in high regards, most of them do what's good for their countries and don't give a damn what America thinks...
Does anyone here actually think France, Germany, Russia or China care what we think of their policies or governments...They don't and why should we care either what they think of us....
The countries that whine the loudest are the non-powers little guy's who want to be heard and thought of as one of the big ones when they are not...
Here's a little story on what France's President thinks of Obama and his call for nuclear disarmament at the UN Security Council meeting he decided to chair. (did a Cat "cut and paste"...lol)
http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/25/sarkozy-mocks-obama-at-un-security-council-hello-big-media/
by Maura Flynn
"For reasons yet to be determined, the National Post appears to have de-linked their own front page story on their website. Mr. Spillius reported a similar (albeit watered-down) version in the UK’s Telegraph.
Obama: “We must never stop until we see the day when nuclear arms have been banished from the face of the earth.”
Sarkozy: “We live in the real world, not the virtual world. And the real world expects us to take decisions.”
The rest of Sarkozy’s remarks were, well, remarkable:
“President Obama dreams of a world without weapons … but right in front of us two countries are doing the exact opposite.
“Iran since 2005 has flouted five security council resolutions. North Korea has been defying council resolutions since 1993.
“I support the extended hand of the Americans, but what good has proposals for dialogue brought the international community? More uranium enrichment and declarations by the leaders of Iran to wipe a UN member state off the map,” he continued, referring to Israel.
The sharp-tongued French leader even implied that Mr Obama’s resolution 1887 had used up valuable diplomatic energy.
“If we have courage to impose sanctions together it will lend viability to our commitment to reduce our own weapons and to making a world without nuke weapons,” he said.
Mr Sarkozy has previously called the US president’s disarmament crusade “naive.”
No American newspapers seem to have featured Sarkozy’s justifiably derisive remarks about Obama’s naivete regarding the realities of nuclear technology. Still we can be grateful for the freedom of the press, as embodied and celebrated by the Newseum — including the chilling reconstruction of segments of the Berlin Wall. These serve as a reminder that however oppressive or myopic the powers-that-be, news cannot be stifled."
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I hate to break this to you but we don't really give a chit what the rest of the world thinks about us.
catastrophe
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....There are very few countries around the world that I have in high regards, most of them do what's good for their countries and don't give a damn what America thinks...
Do you not think others might think the same about the USA ??
In the end the whole world that believes in democracy finds itself a situation that is unwinnable.
There is no finality coming out of the war with terrorists that will satisfy the west. Never going to happen.
Do you not think others might think the same about the USA ??
In the end the whole world that believes in democracy finds itself a situation that is unwinnable.
There is no finality coming out of the war with terrorists that will satisfy the west. Never going to happen.
Expensive Date
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Chris we both have our "names on the door" when you go on vacation for some r/r what do you come back to....Twice as much work he wanted this you or I would not have taken a day off in the first year.
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Your right the war on terror will never end that is why we need to be feared by our enemies.
catastrophe
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Through no fault of your own you will never be feared by your enemies. Never again, and thats the problem. And thats why this is all unwinnable.
Fear to an enemy has to include the threat of personal and family demise..and those that you are at war with welcome death.
Unfortunate place to be in.
I would be happy to drive the Welcome Wagon :smash:
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