Proposal for classes

[MikeyFIN]

I agree to an extent, after being apart of scoring earlier in the year, I spoke to them about making it easier. With the type of systems Pat and Sean are talking about it would be a great benefit to each organizations scoring dept as well as if and when tv happens it would add a lot to the coverage. Plus the benefit it adds to the team as when I am preparing for a race I still study the on-board footage over my career to make sure I dont make the same mistake twice. The information might be useless to some, but I would rather have too much to go thru than no information at all. Back in my Nascar days, we would have to study the top view footage of a pit stop 2 hours a day, all of that just to make a 14 second pit stop. But then again I was making 34 a year plus all expenses just to change the rear tires on a car quickly, my crew chief in Offshore makes nothing. Actually most of the time he provides the beverages in our pit stall:biggrinjester:

so You´re a colleague to me than...I did the same in ASA late models years ago.
And yes when you have data aquisition. film or whatever to look for you go a curve or something per every fraction.

Hmmm... 34 plus expenses... that´s not actually bad. Lets talk about Stock Cars in KW.

 

[MikeyFIN]

The worse one's, when the smilie's are forgotton....


Like this, "Daredevil can't throttle a raceboat for crap....."



Vs, "Daredevil can't throttle a race boat for crap...:sifone: :rofl: :sifone:"


By the way, can you??????:sifone: :rofl: :sifone:

IMO YES and he´s actually devoted to the sport 100%.

 

[MikeyFIN]

You have a very different view than I do.

It has always been about competition to me. No competition no fun.

Gotta agree here, When the Race is on and something is at stake It´s all about the competition.
You don´t see me smile or hear me talk when I focus. I´m used to keep my mouth guard in my mouth so the other one has to spit it out...

 

[Sean H]

And some kind of a per-race fee structure, instead of the entire year's expenses.

Is the entry fee in p-class sbi really keeping teams from racing? I am not a huge fan of sbi, but the p class seems reasonable. Isn't it like 600 bucks? Obviously free is always better, but if you only race 1 event in sbi or opa, aren't the fees similiar? (ie, a team that races sbi will pay about the same money to race 1 opa race as an opa team who races 1 race with sbi).

 

[Ratickle]

Is the entry fee in p-class sbi really keeping teams from racing? I am not a huge fan of sbi, but the p class seems reasonable. Isn't it like 600 bucks? Obviously free is always better, but if you only race 1 event in sbi or opa, aren't the fees similiar? (ie, a team that races sbi will pay about the same money to race 1 opa race as an opa team who races 1 race with sbi).

Somewhere that was discussed. I'll see if I can find it.

I think it was for a two or three race scenario where a northerner comes to Florida to race Key West, Miami, and Marathon in the North's Offseason.

 

[Ratickle]

IMO YES and he´s actually devoted to the sport 100%.

I keep waiting for him to answer....:sifone: How else can I smack talk him????

 

[MikeyFIN]

Travel. The same reason if I raced a full season, I'd have only hit two SBI races max. You're currently spoiled because you're not working, just like me. So, we have time to travel. But, when I'm working, I cannot miss three weekdays for a weekend of racing 7 or 8 times a season.

I can barely swing it...

Got a LOT of Flak from my employee over the fact that I was wrenching Formula Fords in the British Series last year and did FIA GT3 same time.
And 5 Weeks after we got an Agreement of my work my Bosses Aorta splits..and that was that.

Regarding SBI Funny the boatcount is down and it´s from the birthplace of Offshore.
And I´m mostly glad to run somewhere warm as it´s also a vacation for me because I gotta work so my eyes bleed for it...
It´s no fun driving a Truck over here but I got the freedom.

 

[MikeyFIN]

I keep waiting for him to answer....:sifone: How else can I smack talk him????

LOL :lurk5:

 

[Ratickle]

Somewhere that was discussed. I'll see if I can find it.

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Example : P4 Class Boat (I will not include OSS "P" Class in this comparison)

The cost for me to race my first SBI event would be 1975.00
The cost for me to race my first OPA event would be 1000.00

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The cost for me to race my Second SBI event would be 675.00
The cost for me to race my Second OPA event would be 0.00

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The cost for me to race my Third SBI event would be 675.00
The cost for me to race my Third OPA event would be 0.00

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The cost for me to race my Forth SBI event would be 675.00
The cost for me to race my Forth OPA event would be 0.00


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The cost for me to race my Fifth SBI event would be 675.00
The cost for me to race my Fifth OPA event would be 0.00

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The cost for me to race my Sixth SBI event would be 675.00
The cost for me to race my Sixth OPA event would be 0.00

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The cost for me to race my Seventh SBI event would be 675.00
The cost for me to race my Seventh OPA event would be 0.00

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The cost for me to race my Eight SBI event would be 675.00
The cost for me to race my Eight OPA event would be 0.00


Total entry fee cost on a 8 race season
SBI: $6700.00
OPA: $1000.00

OPA: No Boat minimum.. Only 3 boats show up and you get at least 3rd place $$$
1st 2000.00
2nd 1200.00
3rd 800.00
I'll say "was" the purse seeing as I have yet to crack the top 3 this year... :ack2: But the formula is pretty simple and straight foward.

SBI: (NOT MY WORDS, THIS IS A COPY PASTE JOB FROM THE RULE BOOK)
Pay out will be based on the number of boats starting the race in their class. Five
(5) boats starting in a class will receive the prize money as posted for that class,
less than five boats will be as follows:
1. Four (4) boats in a class will receive prize money from 2nd to 5th place
2. Three (3) boats in a class will receive prize money from 3rd to 5th place.
3. Two (2) boats in a class will receive prize money from 4th to 5th place.
4. One (1) boat in a class will receive prize money for 5th place.
Any class with the exception of Manufacturer Production Class (P1 – P5),
that has eight (8) or more boats starting (crossing the start line) will receive
an extra $1,000.00 (40%, 25%, 20%, 10%, 5%) added to the prize purse for that class

So you pay 675.00 To race 1 other boat and you get $100.00.. right?

Thanks!

So if You race OPA and finish 3rd at every race it would look like this.

Total Event Fee's........ $1000.00
3rd Place purse x 8 = ...$6400.00
Net profit...................+$5400.00


So if You race SBI and finish 3rd at every race it would look like this, assuming
you have the boat count to support the purse.
Total Event Fee's........ $6700.00
3rd Place purse x 8 = ...$3200.00
Net profit...................<-3500.00> Negative

Here it is....And the link

http://www.seriousoffshore.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9317&highlight=race+fees

 

[MikeyFIN]

I need to bust his B@ll$ so he shows up to race !!!!!!!:sifone:

"The intimidator" HAHA..:seeya:

 

[Sean H]

Here it is....And the link

http://www.seriousoffshore.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9317&highlight=race+fees

so its 1200 vs 1000 for 1 race?

 

[Ratickle]

so its 1200 vs 1000 for 1 race?

It looks like 1975 vs 1000, then 675 vs 0 second and 675 vs 0 third. But, I am not positive, that was from the other discussion. I re-read it and there seemed to be a decision that was correct.

 

[DAREDEVIL]

so its 1200 vs 1000 for 1 race?

For 1 race only ,,its actually the same. because SBI prorated the fees !!!!

 

[rchevelle71]

After the race I hope.......:sifone:

The guys in the boat dont get the keys to the cooler 'til after the race, but since I do most of my wrenchin alongside the house on my pleasure boat, the mechanic needs a few sips now and then to keep his mind straight:sifone:

 

[shifter]

5. What can we do to consolidate classes? There are a potential of 14 classes in our rulebook. How and what could we do to turn that into 3 or 4 classes? What about 3 or 4 classes in Cat and Vee? It’s hard for the spectator to figure out who’s in which class. With a reorganizing or consolidating classes you could have 3 to 5 boats in 3 or 4 classes. Now you have 1 or 2 boats in each class. Is it really racing when you are the only boat in your class? Not really knowing what to do or how to do it, something should change. One of the examples is to have 3 classes with breakout speeds of 85, 100 and unlimited. Another example is 80, 95, 110 and unlimited. Some of the concerns would be about a cat racing a vee. With the help of Tracking International, you could have a truly independent, cheat free, way of monitoring speeds. You could also add to the class rules that the breakout speeds be adjusted up or down depending on the event. Right now, the Performance 1 Class that we have, has the rule…Page 26, Section K. Performance Class “Performance Class 1 boats are limited 115 MPH as a top speed. This speed may be adjusted on a race-by-race basis depending upon conditions at each race site.”



This is a piece of an email on the club out here. I am going to get permission to air out the rest.....

Just to let people know that things are being worked on.

To me this seems to be a good way to get boats to come out and race.

pat W:driving:

 

[Ratickle]

5. What can we do to consolidate classes? There are a potential of 14 classes in our rulebook. How and what could we do to turn that into 3 or 4 classes? What about 3 or 4 classes in Cat and Vee? It’s hard for the spectator to figure out who’s in which class. With a reorganizing or consolidating classes you could have 3 to 5 boats in 3 or 4 classes. Now you have 1 or 2 boats in each class. Is it really racing when you are the only boat in your class? Not really knowing what to do or how to do it, something should change. One of the examples is to have 3 classes with breakout speeds of 85, 100 and unlimited. Another example is 80, 95, 110 and unlimited. Some of the concerns would be about a cat racing a vee. With the help of Tracking International, you could have a truly independent, cheat free, way of monitoring speeds. You could also add to the class rules that the breakout speeds be adjusted up or down depending on the event. Right now, the Performance 1 Class that we have, has the rule…Page 26, Section K. Performance Class “Performance Class 1 boats are limited 115 MPH as a top speed. This speed may be adjusted on a race-by-race basis depending upon conditions at each race site.”



This is a piece of an email on the club out here. I am going to get permission to air out the rest.....

Just to let people know that things are being worked on.

To me this seems to be a good way to get boats to come out and race.

pat W:driving:

Sorry to sound stupid Pat. Which rule book?

 

[2TR]

Why do I feel like this.....

 

[imco offshore]

Why do I feel like this.....

that is to funny

 

[DAREDEVIL]

Why do I feel like this.....

BECAUSE ITS U !!!!!:rofl::sifone:

 

[shifter]

The rules for popra were based on OSS rules.

We have several p1 boats. All of them have different set-ups and the easiest way to get new people to race was to install data to keep things honest. One boat had 1500's twin blowers one had blown 525's one had turbo 1400 we had NA 650's etc... to get it to work the data did the job.

The new rules for 2010 are being discussed.

Kilo's, multiple races per weekend, internet involvement through data etc are all good ideas.

We are working on building the west coast racing back up.

What group to side with???????

pat W