Mercury Marine To Close And Move All Production From Fond du Lac, Wisconsin......

Although some of the board members wouldn't mind seeing Merc leave Fon du Lac, I think it's in the greater common interest to have them stay there and work things out. I just hope the union realizes that because they're playing all-in poker with a weak hand and I think Mercury called their bluff...

Why would it be an advantage for them to stay in Fon du Lac? If they are located somewhere else, putting out the same product for the same price, how does it benefit anyone but Fon du Lac for them t stay there.

Especially if they relocated and could get an experienced, cheaper workforce without the unions and therefor put out the same product for lower cost to the consumer?
 
Why would it be an advantage for them to stay in Fon du Lac? If they are located somewhere else, putting out the same product for the same price, how does it benefit anyone but Fon du Lac for them t stay there.

Especially if they relocated and could get an experienced, cheaper workforce without the unions and therefor put out the same product for lower cost to the consumer?

I hate it when I have no answer and need to think. Knock it off.......:sifone:
 
Why would it be an advantage for them to stay in Fon du Lac? If they are located somewhere else, putting out the same product for the same price, how does it benefit anyone but Fon du Lac for them t stay there.

Especially if they relocated and could get an experienced, cheaper workforce without the unions and therefor put out the same product for lower cost to the consumer?

Great question....aside from the tradition in Eastern Wisconsin and the families that grew up bleeding Mercury black.....there is no compelling business reason. This is much like Detroit losing all those automotive jobs to the Southern states, after so many workers moved north decades before.
 
if they move the prices will not go down because of a cheaper work force, profits will go up though.
 
Why would it be an advantage for them to stay in Fon du Lac? If they are located somewhere else, putting out the same product for the same price, how does it benefit anyone but Fon du Lac for them t stay there.

Especially if they relocated and could get an experienced, cheaper workforce without the unions and therefor put out the same product for lower cost to the consumer?

It's in the best interest of the workers to work things out so they have jobs and in these times I don't like seeing people loose jobs... I don't subscribe to the one mans loss is another mans gain mentality.

I could see how for you, since you live there, it would be cool but by the same token they could do it in Mexico for a fraction of the cost. ;)

Frank
 
Also, if terms can be met it's behooves the corporation to stay because moving costs money and moving isn't always the answer...

Enter BRAC with the military... New studies show it's not saving them, in fact it might cost more or if they're lucky break even....
 
I have been reading this and for the most part staying out of it. Its great that we can have this and try to understand each other.
Aside from the politics of it all I can see where the union will probly be the end of Merc being there, that said I can tell you that the city I live in has been killed by them along with New York State Taxes. This used to be a big MFGing city and had a great place to live and work(aside from the winters) now there is nothing and the last couple that are left are fighting with the unions to at least let things ride for awhile and the people that I talk to that are part of said unions want that also but the powers inside the unions won't listen to anyone but themselves and keep asking the state to do something to which they have and offered tax breaks and such if the unions put something on the table and they don't seem to get it at all. And in the end loose the jobs the city and state loose people and the tax base. I feel sorry for both sides of this and just like anything else Merc has to do whats best for Merc.
 
As a result we have a bloated, unworkable system, populated by the worst that our society has to offer. This system is supported and allowed to flourish as a result of voters accepting tired maxims like "you can't just point at "the problem" due to the multifaceted nature of complex systems and the causal relationships they hold with one another", instead of reducing government to simple goals....and simple answers. In spite of the time wasted crafting 1000 page bills for congress....most problems can and should be explained in a simple factual Q&A outline. If something takes 1000 pages to address....it is certainly too complicated to succeed. While this may offend some of your intellectual sensibilities, in reality, the smartest people I know are the ones who convey deep thought with minimum verbage.

T2x

Well then I guess I should thank you for letting me live in your world because obviously your point of view is all that matters or is right. So thank you.

With that out of the way, I'm just not sure what problems you are referring to that (can and should be explained) in a simple factual Q&A outline. I guess one of the things that concerns me is whom gets to produce this Q&A (factual) outline and unless it is me, do I have to take it for the gospel? After reading your posts I can't believe you could believe anything that anyone writes that boils a complicated problem down to it's simplest, most easy to understand form - unless it is you providing the answers. But, I get that, I'm the same way. But if this thread is any indication of how that process would work - we are in trouble. Because if you are the one providing the answers, I don't buy them; and conversely, if I am providing the answers you are further away from buying them than I am yours. So unless one of us is appointed the benevolent dictator, what do we do? If we are living under our form of government, we have to do something that more than likely drives you nuts - we compromise.

I agree with you that government is too big and is trying to gain more and more access into my personal life. I don't like it either. As I stated in my first post, my preference would be to move our form of government to a dictatorship - as long as I am the dictator. We could get some problems solved then.

And just as a side note, I kind of thought the tired maxim like "you can't just point at "the problem" due to the multifaceted nature of complex systems and the causal relationships they hold with one another" was conveying a deep thought with minimum verbiage. But, I'm not really all that surprised, or upset, that you didn't like it. I respect your right to your opinion, even if it doesn't match mine.
 
Well then I guess I should thank you for letting me live in your world because obviously your point of view is all that matters or is right. So thank you.

With that out of the way, I'm just not sure what problems you are referring to that (can and should be explained) in a simple factual Q&A outline. I guess one of the things that concerns me is whom gets to produce this Q&A (factual) outline and unless it is me, do I have to take it for the gospel? After reading your posts I can't believe you could believe anything that anyone writes that boils a complicated problem down to it's simplest, most easy to understand form - unless it is you providing the answers. But, I get that, I'm the same way. But if this thread is any indication of how that process would work - we are in trouble. Because if you are the one providing the answers, I don't buy them; and conversely, if I am providing the answers you are further away from buying them than I am yours. So unless one of us is appointed the benevolent dictator, what do we do? If we are living under our form of government, we have to do something that more than likely drives you nuts - we compromise.

I agree with you that government is too big and is trying to gain more and more access into my personal life. I don't like it either. As I stated in my first post, my preference would be to move our form of government to a dictatorship - as long as I am the dictator. We could get some problems solved then.

And just as a side note, I kind of thought the tired maxim like "you can't just point at "the problem" due to the multifaceted nature of complex systems and the causal relationships they hold with one another" was conveying a deep thought with minimum verbiage. But, I'm not really all that surprised, or upset, that you didn't like it. I respect your right to your opinion, even if it doesn't match mine.

I'm certainly not advocating "My way or the highway". I am, however, standing inflexibly against big government and false issues. Just like unity in offshore racing, I have no particular interest in how it get's done or whose feathers get ruffled. The same dynamics apply....if too much noise is allowed in you lose track of the original goal.

T2x
 
My father is a physicist (odd as hell but brilliant) who ran a think tank for more than 30 years. The only thing on his giant conference blackboard that never got erased was a saying:

"There are two types of ideas: simple and confused."

Of course, what was "simple" to him was like rocket science (OK, it WAS rocket) science to most of us. But you guys get the idea.

And yes, before you characters get started, that kind of intelligence has been known to skip a generation.
 
My father is a physicist (odd as hell but brilliant) who ran a think tank for more than 30 years. The only thing on his giant conference blackboard that never got erased was a saying:

"There are two types of ideas: simple and confused."

Of course, what was "simple" to him was like rocket science (OK, it WAS rocket) science to most of us. But you guys get the idea.

And yes, before you characters get started, that kind of intelligence has been known to skip a generation.

I like your father and I never even met him........... and don't underestimate your intellect.

Why just the other day I was thinking : "That Trulio, he's a pretty good writer,......... for a physicist." :D :D
 
One of my favorite quotes was the bill hadn't been read because the guy who was gonna vote to approve it needed 4 or 5 PHD's to explain it to him. And he saw nothing wrong with that.:ack2:
 
I hope it doesn't close either. But if the Union doesn't give, I just don't see where Merc has a choice. At least they are talking about Oklahoma instead of Mexico or China.
 
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