John Carbonell of SBI lives up to his BAD reputation!

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

When I first went in '85 there were few people there other than racers. Now it has become the boaters vacation destination. It may be for better or worse I don't know. I do know for me if it weren't for races I would never go there again.

 

[lucky devil]

your blowing smoke dude, heavy smoke, your deal isn't as iron clad as you think.... the City and County has LEGAL protocol, and State guidelines they have to follow, no matter who you are, and if you think for a nanno second that a legitimate lobbyist/promoter/marketing firm can't approach them, and may very well get a positive approval for another boating *event*, especially at a NO COST option to the City, saving them $70,000 up front... your in the dark ages man.... dark dark ages... if someone in the know had the time and balls to do it, it absolutely CAN be done... I did several years of car race promoting renting a world class NASCAR sanctioned track, and dealing with City's and County's ad nauseum and i've also lived over 50 years down here and dealt with all surrounding county's purchasing/proposal contracts for 27 of those years, including Monroe Cty... so I know a tad about the in's and out's of this... don't threaten us with intimidation, you just may get more competition than you bargained for here..

besides, WE are your customer's, without US you have nothing for the City to pay you for, nada, zap, zero... you better damn well remember that... :26:

WTF? You write this under the misguided impression I have some connection to any of the principals involved, which is a world class presumption on your part. I couldn't give a damn about CROPRA, Carbonell, SBI or anyone involved, in any way.

 

[lucky devil]

Do you honestly believe that CROPRA is entitled by birthright to some special treatment? Again, since you have an apparent fondness for legal terminology, can you cite the Florida statute or point in common law that provides CROPRA with the ability to receive contracts and preferential treatment from the City of Key West? Or that allows them to exclude an equally-qualified organization from putting on a competitive event?

What I believe is people are entitled to their own opinions, not their own facts.

I eagerly await the announcement that your org will produce a world class racing event in Key West.

 

[Chris]

I also believe an individual should be entitled to their own opinions. At the same time, I believe you've been presented with a series of factual legal issues that you not only failed to address, you've side-stepped completely.

I have no intention of promoting a race in Key West.

 

[fund razor]

I have no intention of promoting a race in Key West.

Me neither.
I do think that I am switching to that other sub place.

 

[lucky devil]

I believe you've been presented with a series of factual legal issues that you not only failed to address, you've side-stepped completely.

I haven't been presented with anything. Look, if you believe what you say, you should contact Gerry Hammond, Senior Assistant Attorney General for the State of Florida: Gerry.Hammond (at) myfloridalegal.com

I'm sure he can be helpful.

 

[MarylandMark]

I have no intention of promoting a race in Key West.

pretty please....

 

[glassdave]

pretty please....

he has been seen consorting with Reggie . . . soooo . . . ya never know

 

[bootdaddy]

This is getting interesting. I know some people...some florida people...and I know all about these little city/muni fiefdoms...you just gotta get a really big flashlight and pay the right people more than they are currently taking (under or over the table)!

I wonder if the city would be interested in receiving $70k for the rights rather than spending it. Right now, I'm in for half - maybe Gino kicks in the other half...

Should be an interesting city council meeting...

 

[glassdave]

would you add a vintage class just for fun

 

[bootdaddy]

would you add a vintage class just for fun

seems like the logical thing to do

 

[BRAD SCHOENWALD]

This is getting interesting. I know some people...some florida people...and I know all about these little city/muni fiefdoms...you just gotta get a really big flashlight and pay the right people more than they are currently taking (under or over the table)!

I wonder if the city would be interested in receiving $70k for the rights rather than spending it. Right now, I'm in for half - maybe Gino kicks in the other half...

Should be an interesting city council meeting...

Dont forget about the boat ride the week of Thanksgiving. I can give you all the background and inside info of what was done and is being done. If you are SERIOUS of course. :sifone:

 

[Ratickle]

This is getting interesting. I know some people...some florida people...and I know all about these little city/muni fiefdoms...you just gotta get a really big flashlight and pay the right people more than they are currently taking (under or over the table)!

I wonder if the city would be interested in receiving $70k for the rights rather than spending it. Right now, I'm in for half - maybe Gino kicks in the other half...

Should be an interesting city council meeting...

would you add a vintage class just for fun

seems like the logical thing to do

Gonna keep my fingers crossed and will do all I can to help on this one.:drool5:

 

[Ted]

Thanks for all the kind words about my post, but let's look at this from the path of least resistance. I frankly have NO problem with JC owning (sort of) and running the KW race, and If the Conch Repulic guys want to keep dealing with him (even though he doesn't provide what is rumored to have been promised-boat count wise) then they should. But what needs to be done is at least, at first, make an honest effort to bring the other organizations and JC to the table and make some kind of arrangement to benefit ALL. I know both the other principles (Smitty and RonP) have worked or tried to work with JC in the past and for one reason or the other could not make it work. JC has always held fast to his fees and requirements and because he is less than amenable to negotiating, everyone has walked away without making it work. BUT, I find it extremely hard to believe that if JC, Smitty, RonP, and any other interested party (hint-sponsors) were to sit down in a room with the Conch Republic guys, that all parties could not come away with an agreement. Now, JC might be the hardest to get to the table, but maybe not. and I cannot believe there would not be a benefit to EVERY person at the table. There is strength in numbers and too much money involved to not be able to make it work. If it can't happen that way and someone digs in their heels and says NO, then it will be quite obvious who has no desire to further the sport, and then the fans, promoters, and especially the racers can make their future decisions based on that information. We are not the NASCAR nation or any of that crap, but the sport encompasses thousands of people and millions of dollars, the nexus of that could and should be Key West every November. Period. SERIOUSLY

 

[MANITIE]

So why was there a need for another class ?

If they can't run with the big dogs then let them go to P1 Class.

They should have all ran together.

If Hard Rock would have won overall then so be it. But catering and making classes up at the last minute is rediculous.

It's not like they did not know CK was going to be there! The rules are unlimited. They should make their boats competitive if that is where they want to race..

Sharkey.....I know you don't like JC....but you do not have the info why this happend...there is a lot more to it...and I think your pointing the fingure at the wrong person...I also asked when I got there why there are 2 unlimited class's becasue I want to run against Reggie next year in some races.....

I think you should leave it to the racers and the Organizations.....
Bottom line is any boat could have registersed to run Unlimited against Cat Killer.....

 

[Ratickle]

Bottom line is any boat could have registersed to run Unlimited against Cat Killer.....

And won..

Seriously, maybe if we start now we can get the orgs together on at least a few classes where the rules would match up for the Worlds, if not before to run through the year.

 

[MarylandMark]

Boat racing is a business and has nothing to do with actual boats racing

Rather make $X or have X number of boats show up? Obviously the answer is not the latter IMHO

 

[catmando]

I wonder if Haggin has approached Geico about buying him out. That's the only way Carbonell will give it up IMO.

The Geico Key West World Championships how sweet would that be.

 

[Shanghied Again]

JC thinks that His Race and His Race alone brings the money to Key West race week? Not true. lets see who comes? maybe a couple of 100 spectators. Now the rest Poker Runners. Poker Run Clubs, Serious Offshore Guys and florida Powerboat club with over 120 boats in a Poker Run that spend money, Big money. drinking, eating and having a good time while filling the streets of Key West. They love boats and the races and this is where JC is blind and he always will be. Haggin on the other hand is a great guy and if he ever had the chance to take over I would bet Racing would finally come back together.

 

[SHARKEY-IMAGES]

Sharkey.....I know you don't like JC....but you do not have the info why this happend...there is a lot more to it...and I think your pointing the fingure at the wrong person...I also asked when I got there why there are 2 unlimited class's becasue I want to run against Reggie next year in some races.....

If JC treated you like he has myself and many others apparently, you would probably have less love for him too!

It's no secret that JC is the dictator of SBI. Nothing gets done without his approval. If a new Class was put in place, it did not get done without him signing off on it. He has the final say therefore his is the one liable for the additional class.

I think you should leave it to the racers and the Organizations.....

Leave what ?

I am not asking for anything more than an explanation of how an additional UNLIMITED CLASS with the same boats came about ?

I believe as a Photographer of Offshore and a FAN, I have the right and should know the classes that are running.

Bottom line is any boat could have registersed to run Unlimited against Cat Killer.....

Obviously and LUCAS OIL / OUTERLIMITS did and won the World Championship.

But how and when did the racers find out about this extra class ?
Was there a breakdown of rules and differences of the 2 UNLIMITED Classes posted somewhere ? Were they even available before anyone left for Key West or did this pop up at the start of the week?

You may say it is none of my business, but if the other orgs are going to try to match up with the same classes, then being as I shoot the other orgs, it does become my business to know...