At what speed do you wear lifevests?

Way back when I lived out west, the drag boat guys were working with a helmet design that wouldn't bucket. They were having a hard time getting it approved. I also believe Chip Hanauer (?) was part of it because of Muncie. Maybe Nordskog also. Any idea where that project went?

That was the Nordskog helmet or so it was called. When we had the very first safety meeting back in 1987, after Mark Lavin was killed and while the Lavin Foundation was being set up, Bob Nordskog, Gary Garbrecht, George Linder, representatives from Bell helmets and Lifeline among others were called on to provide expertise and a technology baseline. We all got together in Los Angeles and Bob Nordskog was adamant about his helmet design. It was a fibreglass skull cap with an optional leather "turtleneck" that wrapped around your neck and shoulders before crossing under your armpits. It prevented any helmet "bucketing" no doubt. What Bob would not accept was that the injuries (basal skull fractures) that killed Mark, and almost took Bobby Saccenti from our midst a few months earlier, were impact based not bucket injuries. He became quite angry and thought we were wasting our time talking about canopies, cockpit reinforcement and oxygen systems, while paying little attention to his helmet design which, by the way, could not get a D.O.T. construction or safety rating and therefore was never approved.

There were a few copies of his helmet made and one of them wound up in the hands of my tunnel boat racing buddy, Marty O'Neill, on the east coast. I am sure that he was safer wearing it in an open cockpit, ultralight racing hull where you were pitched out with minor impacts in flips and wound up skidding along the water's surface, but in a large offshore cockpit that dynamic is very different. I clearly recall Bob Teague (Nordskog's crew chief) laughing for years at people who thought canopies were a good idea... ( Real men race standing up of course :D)....until he did a "Face Plant" into the upper dash board of his open cockpit, Fountain Vee in Corpus Christi after a minor hook in a turn. Today he is the two (or more) time Champion in Super Cat light...sitting down .....in a full cockpit Skater.
 
Best for an open cockpit, fast, poker run/pleasure boat?

Lifeline jackets for all, kill switches hooked up at all times when the engine is running and I would wear a helmet in any kind of event with triple digit speeds. ...........Because among other things you can never be sure that some schmuck won't run over your boat while he smiles at the "hottie" in the back seat of his.

T2x
 
Somehow I think this "Cadillac" is a related issue....... :p
 

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Things can go very badly, very quickly on the water, even at 50 mph. Not wearing a lifevest doesn't prove how tough you are, but it's pretty good evidence of ignorance.

Always remember, Mother Nature ain't no lady.
 
Things can go very badly, very quickly on the water, even at 50 mph. Not wearing a lifevest doesn't prove how tough you are, but it's pretty good evidence of ignorance.

Always remember, Mother Nature ain't no lady.

I can't tell you how many times I've been in situations where I could have really been killed but got lucky. I know what you mean.
 
It means you are 80% less likely to drown. You say when it your time, you're outta here. I'm not sure, but I bet it increases your odds at least tenfold of NOT shooting yourself, if you DON'T play Russian Roulette. You're playing Russian Roulette with your lifejackets, and your life.

Technically you're playing russian roulette every time you get into a boat, or everytime you ride a motorcycle, or drive a car, or sky dive, or ride motorcross, snowmobile, etc etc etc.

My opinion in this subject has always been opposite of most on these boards. I've always thought; if you don't want to wear your jacket, more power to you. It's your right and one of the last freedoms in extreme hobbies that's left. think offshore boating is one of the last great past times. You can go out and (for the most part) run your sh1t however you want to in the ocean or on your lake.

You say it increases my chance of dying, well f*ck it I say. I also used to ride motorcycles in ca without a helmet (and still do in Hawaii), I also used to not wear a seat belt when driving and sometimes still forget. I've also driven so fast in so many different cars, motorcycles and boats I couldn't tell you how many times.

So no, I don't wear a life jacket all the time and I can pretty much gaurantee the majority of members here wear them less than more often. I understand your point bit "Russian roulette"? Hardley. More like calculated risk just like everything else in life.
 
kills and jackets in anything that can go over 30 mph is the rule but everyone know's what rule's are for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBn_jt01j30 this was flat water but still vary stupid on my part ......................after 30+ years of fast boats my worst day on the lake happened at 38 mph ya just never know
 
I wear mine more than 90% of the time with laynard . I should wear a helmet. Like others have said, if you have ever been hurt, you will think a little different.
 
Technically you're playing russian roulette every time you get into a boat, or everytime you ride a motorcycle, or drive a car, or sky dive, or ride motorcross, snowmobile, etc etc etc.

My opinion in this subject has always been opposite of most on these boards. I've always thought; if you don't want to wear your jacket, more power to you. It's your right and one of the last freedoms in extreme hobbies that's left. think offshore boating is one of the last great past times. You can go out and (for the most part) run your sh1t however you want to in the ocean or on your lake.

You say it increases my chance of dying, well f*ck it I say. I also used to ride motorcycles in ca without a helmet (and still do in Hawaii), I also used to not wear a seat belt when driving and sometimes still forget. I've also driven so fast in so many different cars, motorcycles and boats I couldn't tell you how many times.

So no, I don't wear a life jacket all the time and I can pretty much gaurantee the majority of members here wear them less than more often. I understand your point bit "Russian roulette"? Hardley. More like calculated risk just like everything else in life.
You're so tough you must wipe your butt with barbwire.

I don't run with scissors in my hand either.
 
Wow you guys are tough!!!!! James is a good guy and sometimes we make mistakes. Yes, at 120 a 40 Skater IS a Cadillac....I have lost a drive over 140 and it came to a nice straight stop. Would that happen every time?? Maybe, maybe not.
All I'm saying is sometimes you are running fast and really forget for a second how quickly speeds can build in these things. I'm sure he does not make it a habit, but he was nice enough to show us some cool videos and all that ends up happening is 30 posts flaming him.:dupe:
98% of the time everyone in my boat wears LifeLines over 100, a couple times we might not. That does not make me or anybody else that does the same a "unsafe boater". And yes, I have broken almost 15+ bones, so I know bad things happen, all I'm saying is cut the guy some slack.
 
Erik, Some of these posts are feeding on them selves. I wouldn't take them as flaming him. There are some strong opinions and not everyone is perfect. Fast boats are dangerous and this is a sensitive subject.
 
Wow you guys are tough!!!!! James is a good guy and sometimes we make mistakes. Yes, at 120 a 40 Skater IS a Cadillac....I have lost a drive over 140 and it came to a nice straight stop. Would that happen every time?? Maybe, maybe not.
All I'm saying is sometimes you are running fast and really forget for a second how quickly speeds can build in these things. I'm sure he does not make it a habit, but he was nice enough to show us some cool videos and all that ends up happening is 30 posts flaming him.:dupe:
98% of the time everyone in my boat wears LifeLines over 100, a couple times we might not. That does not make me or anybody else that does the same a "unsafe boater". And yes, I have broken almost 15+ bones, so I know bad things happen, all I'm saying is cut the guy some slack.

Hey Eric, very few of the posts are flaming him. Cool video, almost all of us have done similar. Anything over 80, at least my passengers have them on. I'm not always so smart..... If I'm by myself, for sure am not as good as I should be.... Gonna try to get better though.

And look at the thought behind it. Not a single one of us want to see anything happen to anyone here that could have been prevented. That is really the root of the discussion.
 
You're so tough you must wipe your butt with barbwire.

I don't run with scissors in my hand either.

Has nothing to do with "being so tough". Has everything to do with my right to choose weather I wear a vest or not and everything to do with calculated risk.

In a nation that continues to crack down on laws and continues to restrict our hobbies, the last thing I (and the rest of us for that matter) need is for others in our hobby to stand up on their f*cking soap box and preach.

We all know the risks. To get on here and type all this B.S. does nothing but aid in the restriction process. So, if more restrictions is your goal….Kudos to you.
 
Has nothing to do with "being so tough". Has everything to do with my right to choose weather I wear a vest or not and everything to do with calculated risk.

In a nation that continues to crack down on laws and continues to restrict our hobbies, the last thing I (and the rest of us for that matter) need is for others in our hobby to stand up on their f*cking soap box and preach.

We all know the risks. To get on here and type all this B.S. does nothing but aid in the restriction process. So, if more restrictions is your goal….Kudos to you.

Understood......and I am all for Liberty in most of our activities...especially speed on the water...the last frontier as you say....but here's the rub.

You go out and run 100+ without any safety equipment...or clothes of any kind for that matter..... You screw up....you die and so do your passengers..... all because you made a choice...and you paid the price. So far....so good....until...

The next day the media has pictures and headlines.."Crazy, nude, Right winger, crashes speed boat with 2 onboard-- Search crews halt activities because of darkness"....... They then interview your crying family members and friends. Performance websites by this time are now alive with posts from your buddies who describe you as a "great driver" who must have had an "equipment failure" because you were "too talented" to make a mistake at any speed. We have to read post after post on "limits on our sport" and blah, blah, blah. "After all it was only 3000 HP" and "Big Louie has twice that much".
Fired up by this and nursing his own agenda, Liberal Congressman Cecil Clueless arrives, immediately calls for speed limits, noise abatements, driver's licensing on the water, increased registration fees to fund added patrol and monitoring efforts and higher marine gas taxes to discourage "useless horsepower". Greenpeace then shows up and protests all of the insurance companies that cover Hi-performance boats.

The end result? Your poor choice of "personal liberty"...deprives the rest of us of ours.

T2x
 
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