Mercury Pulls The Plug??

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

It means change from a heavy V8!! People dont like to shy away from whats the "norm." 1300lb, 525hp-750-ish hp V8 or choose a 570hp, 625, or 700hp V10 ALL AT 800LBS. Fountain Worldwide kicked some tail in Europe and no one over here has even thought about a package like that...............

That is a great option. It would be nice to see some racing in SuperV

I am not sure your weight comparison is accurate.

 

[Pete B]

It means change from a heavy V8!! People dont like to shy away from whats the "norm." 1300lb, 525hp-750-ish hp V8 or choose a 570hp, 625, or 700hp V10 ALL AT 800LBS. Fountain Worldwide kicked some tail in Europe and no one over here has even thought about a package like that...............

Sponsoring a team, with a couple of motors might get the motors some more exposure!

 

[Ron P]

Yes, unfortunately it's true. Brunswick is entrenched in discretionary income items such as boats and pool tables. They are a public company that is doing very badly these days. It came down from Brunswick that Mercury Racing would need to discontinue it's race support efforts.

Since OSS runs all Mercury products we will find a way to have parts and technical support on site at all future races.

We made the conscience decision earlier this year to open our series to open cockpit boats and other engine and drive manufactures by adopting the P1 Rules.

Super Vee - These boats should run in the low 90s

13. Supercharging and/or turbo charging for gas inboard engines is prohibited.
14. Maximum engine capacity per engine shall not exceed:
- Naturally Aspirated Gas Engines – 506 Cu. In. (8.3 L)
- Naturally Aspirated Diesel Engines – 512 Cu. In. (8.4 L)
- Supercharged / Turbocharged Diesel Engines – 458 Cu. In. (7.5 L)
15. Have a maximum power to weight ratio of one (1) hp per 9.92 lbs. (4.5kg) (no
tolerance)



Vee Extreme - Should run just over 110mph

7. Supercharging or turbo charging is allowed.
8. Aftermarket parts are allowed.
9. Multispeed gear boxes are prohibited;
10. Engine capacities; the maximum engine capacities shall be;
- Naturally Aspirated Gas – 671 Cu. In. (11.0 L)
- Supercharged / Turbocharged Gas – 557 Cu. In. (9.13 L)
- Supercharged / Turbocharged Diesel – 793 Cu. In. (13.0 L)
11. Have a maximum power to weight ratio of one (1) hp per 7.72 lbs. (3.5 kg) (no tolerance).

OSS Cat Class allows anyone to build the spec 750 hp engine for this class.

So the door is open.

Ron

 

[ILMORdude]

That is a great option. It would be nice to see some racing in SuperV

I am not sure your weight comparison is accurate.

U know what a 525 weighs. I dont know exactly what they do but they are pretty heavy. what do they weigh?

 

[ILMORdude]

Sponsoring a team, with a couple of motors might get the motors some more exposure!

We did with Fountain Worldwide for 2 yrs and netted back to back championships. Priority has been the INDY package and new engines to the market so no sponsorships coming from us for a bit.

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

U know what a 525 weighs. I dont know exactly what they do but they are pretty heavy. what do they weigh?

They advertise the 525 at 1201lbs. I understand that is complete with a bravo.

They 850 at 1720 with a #6

Did the weight you mentioned include your drive?

 

[stainless]

We did with Fountain Worldwide for 2 yrs and netted back to back championships. Priority has been the INDY package and new engines to the market so no sponsorships coming from us for a bit.

if you guys hook me up with some trannies i'll run em in my next skater for a little field testing!:26:

 

[Rik]

We did with Fountain Worldwide for 2 yrs and netted back to back championships. Priority has been the INDY package and new engines to the market so no sponsorships coming from us for a bit.

Hey, you forgot to mention that Fountain, Arneson Surface Drives and the Wilsons were instrumental in the success of winning the P1 championship 2 yrs in a row also!:biggrinjester:

 

[Wahoo 214]

I looked into running the P1 power to weight rules with our 38 Fountain, but the numbers just don't add up. I would need to add nearly 1000lbs. to make wieght with my 525s. (590hp)

How does a cut down 42 loaded with carbon fiber, light weight engine package and light weight surface drives make weight? As a guess that boats weighs 8000lbs dry, they need to come in at about 10800lbs and still run 110ish and be stabile. I can't figure that one out.

 

[Dunbar 104]

I looked into running the P1 power to weight rules with our 38 Fountain, but the numbers just don't add up. I would need to add nearly 1000lbs. to make wieght with my 525s. (590hp)

How does a cut down 42 loaded with carbon fiber, light weight engine package and light weight surface drives make weight? As a guess that boats weighs 8000lbs dry, they need to come in at about 10800lbs and still run 110ish and be stabile. I can't figure that one out.

I don't think that power to weight really solved anything. It still comes down to who has the most effecient hull. It worked at first till the math guys figured out the right hp to weight requirement. What is faster 525s with 1000 lbs added or 700s with 2000 lbs. Fountain knows.

 

[T2x]

Correct me if I am wrong but...

As I understand it, Mercury Marine will continue to offer the racing products, props and drives out of the main plant in Fon Du Lac on an order by order basis only.. There will not be a racing division, or separate sales and customer service under the "Mercury Racing" banner and I presume no new racing products will be developed.

If this is not correct please advise.

Thanks,

T2x

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

I hadn't done the new math myself.

Old Super V rules in the past have been. 8000 with blowers in 98. That soon became near 10,000 in the next years in effort to slow them down. In 2001 APBA banned blowers and the weight was 8500 I think not sure with Supercat motors. In 2004 SuperV in OSS was 8000 with 525 We ended up at 8250 in effort to keep everyone even.

In my experience adding weight doesn't slow a good boat down much or at all. Like Mark said some hulls are more efficient than others and weight will not equalize it between brands IMO. Maybe if an efficiency factor was developed Like Nascar does with different spoiler heights on different brands. I don't know what the best approach is , but for now twin V's are spread across countless classes. V twin IMO is dying a slow death. There may be more V twin classes than all others combined.



It is sad for me to say cause I have always loved that class. On paper Super V with 525 and 6 's is awesome.

My interest now lies in SVL and Cat OB. Both show promise.

 

[shifter]

It is hard to eat popcorn with the big smile on my face.:lurk5::drool5:

pat W

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

As I understand it, Mercury Marine will continue to offer the racing products, props and drives out of the main plant in Fon Du Lac on an order by order basis only.. There will not be a racing division, or separate sales and customer service under the "Mercury Racing" banner and I presume no new racing products will be developed.

If this is not correct please advise.

Thanks,

T2x

I don't now , but no new stuff want hurt anything in my opinion. The progression of motors in 500's to EFI's to 525 played a huge part in Factory classes end along with the canopy introduction in the class and staggered engine configuration. By the time the dust settled nearly every one left Spec V twin class.

 

[Rik]

I looked into running the P1 power to weight rules with our 38 Fountain, but the numbers just don't add up. I would need to add nearly 1000lbs. to make wieght with my 525s. (590hp)

How does a cut down 42 loaded with carbon fiber, light weight engine package and light weight surface drives make weight? As a guess that boats weighs 8000lbs dry, they need to come in at about 10800lbs and still run 110ish and be stabile. I can't figure that one out.

It's all in the drives, and 110 won't cut it in P1!:sifone:

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

It's all in the drives, and 110 won't cut it in P1!:sifone:

If all the V's ran together ,unlimited included ,Fountain worldwide would have won as time from results show. Hard Rock 2nd , Mikosukee third.

As it was World wide Won, Hard Rock Won, and Mikosukee won twice, Lucas Oil won, Davis Motorsports won.

Non of the unlimiteds ran well all three days and non of them on time beat any of the class 3 boats.

Seven V twin World champions were born as a result.

{ on time I mean average speed. Some ran a greater distance than others }

Hard Rock ran 154 miles, Lucas Oil 129, WorldWide 71,Mikosukkee 71 plus 81

 

[Rik]

If all the V's ran together ,unlimited included ,Fountain worldwide would have won as time from results show. Hard Rock 2nd , Mikosukee third.

As it was World wide Won, Hard Rock Won, and Mikosukee won twice, Lucas Oil won, Davis Motorsports won.

Non of the unlimiteds ran well all three days and non of them on time beat any of the class 3 boats.

Seven V twin World champions were born as a result.

{ on time I mean average speed. Some ran a greater distance than others }

Hard Rock ran 154 miles, Lucas Oil 129, WorldWide 71,Mikosukkee 71 plus 81

The funny part is (if these #'s are from 08' KW) that boat was not the one the raced in Europe, which is suppose to be 8 mph faster on top end and faster in the turns by far according to Sheppard and Wilson.

 

[Wahoo 214]

It's all in the drives, and 110 won't cut it in P1!:sifone:

You are probably right on both counts.

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

Rik, it is '08 KW.

Do you have a suggestion for a P1 combination That would work here in the states? What if any would work well against 525 #6 boats. And or modified 525's.

People talk about making high powered V's but I don't think there is any reason to have them go over 120. I think the 90 and 110 targets are good. I good 525 boat will go 110.

 

[T2x]

The P-1 series would be successful as either a spec class or a Wgt/Hp formula format.....because the secret is the number of classes...national pride... professional management...and a good sponsor based budget.

T2x