What's up with all the Video's from Jeff????

[Davidmnc]

IMHO this thread was started to stir a pot that only exists in a few people minds and to generate controversy. All of which is unnecessary here. I am sure the goal was to see how much arguing it would cause, and how long it would take to close the thread. SHUT THIS THREAD DOWN! It is not needed or productive.

 

[Bgchuby01]

James would you like some cheese with that wine?

 

[Chris]

I think any valid, respectful conversation should be entertained. We need it to learn how we can better run the site and jeff needs it to determine how his efforts are received.

If it goes downward or the same things are pointlessly repeated, we can cork it.

As I've said before, it's not my place to tell people what they should care about.

 

[Eaton Photos]

Everyone,

I do not have a problem with Jeff or his videos, as I also enjoy seeing the old school racing. This thread has nothing to do with, whatever is going on behind scenes. I stay out of politics & drama, at all cost'. I just shoot, and keep my opinions to myself. Below is my response to Chris' earlier questions.

1. These videos aren't chep to produce or buy. It's expensive to fly to a race, rent a helicopter and video the event.

Chris, I am aware it cost' money to rent the Helo's. Nothing is free in life, unless you grow up with everything fed to you on diamond studded gold spoons.

2. Youtube is one of the most popular sites on the web. Clearly people like to watch videos on the internet. For months before Jeff started posting, people would find videos and post them on the site. They were some of the most popular threads on the site. So popular that we had our programming altered so that videos could be embedded right in the threads.

Again, you have a point. I do not disagree, that promoting the videos is a bad thing. Its great to see old videos. What I disagree with is the non-stop posting of videos in multiple threads. When you click New Post', and see half a page of videos in 3/4 different sections with the same videos, then I consider that spamming. Just my opinion.

And to your point James, I guess I don't understand. For what reason do you limit what you post? Do you thing what you presently post is an imposition on our members and you're holding back? If you've got good pics that entertain people, why not post them? And for those that don't want to see good shots of cool boats in action, they'll see Eaton Photos and keep going. But I don't think we have many members that don't like boat pics.

As I just stated, I do not understand why Jeff feels the need to post the same video in different sections of the same board. I do limit what I post, b/c I only post, what I consider are my best photos. I do shoot a ton (avg 3000 photos a day) when shooting either boating or aviation, but I do not feel, that I need to bombard the threads with dozens of photos shot from the same angle or have my watermark to be so aggressive, as to take away from the photos I am sharing. I do not have the history with Offshore boating, that many on this board have. I did grow up around boating though. Either way that matters not. I shoot b/c I love shooting, and I enjoy sharing my experience/ perspective with others.

I did not start this thread, to start a pissing match about Jeff's videos. I was just curious, why he double/ triple/ quadruple post them in multiple threads.

Just a side note, and not being greedy or anything of such nature; If I was offered the same opportunity as the other photographers of having my own gallery, to post my images in then, I would probably post more than what I presently do.

Davidmnc, I DID NOT start this thread to stir a pot. Don't assume things about me, or Judge me based on a thread I started. I'm quite reasonable, and do not judge people based on what they write.

Hope this helps clarify, the reason for why I started this thread.

James

 

[DAREDEVIL]

Thanks- I neglected to mention...

Thanks to Jeff, virtually every prize package we send out contains a Freeze Frame DVD. All donated by Jeff. I have probably a couple hundred thank-you PM's from recipients.

And Jeff has never asked me for anything.

Chris.....WHERE IS MINE ?????????????:sifone:

 

[phragle]

If I was offered the same opportunity as the other photographers of having my own gallery, to post my images in then, I would probably post more than what I presently do

That can and should be arranged.

 

[boatme]

If I want to go back and look at videos, would it not be a better thing to go to one thread ?
How about a thread that is titled "Freeze Frame once a day video" then every day Jeff posts a new video and that way if we want to find a posted video we can go to one place and i for one would love one thread so i can watch videos for an hour in one spot instead of searching all over for individual clips

I vote for a "Freeze Frame Video of the day" Thread
A single thread in one section, why is this not a good idea ??

 

[Davidmnc]

Just a side note, and not being greedy or anything of such nature; If I was offered the same opportunity as the other photographers of having my own gallery, to post my images in then, I would probably post more than what I presently do.

I think it is a great idea to give you your own thread. Why didn't you just ask? :huh:

Davidmnc, I DID NOT start this thread to stir a pot. Don't assume things about me, or Judge me based on a thread I started. I'm quite reasonable, and do not judge people based on what they write.

I apologize for the misunderstanding on my part. There just seems to be quite a bit of resentment among our photogs the last week or so. I for one truly appreciate every thing you guys contribute to the site.

David

 

[Chris]

The issues of photographer relationships is now being handled by me.

James- if you want to discuss being more active here, the door is always open. But a better way of doing it is direct contact, not starting a thread criticizing one of your peers.

You know where to find me,

 

[Wahoo 214]

For those that have not met James, he is a first rate guy. His photos are among best I have seen and is very professional. He is also a contributor to SupercatRacing.com which is perhaps the most important Offshore Racing site on the web. He also makes a very valid point in this thread.

 

[skaterdave]

or you could give free stuff to serious, so the can give it away???

don't see how it works?

this issue has been raised before by others, both here and on other sites. theres an area for these "businesses" to post. why not enforce your common sense rules and this wouldn't be an issue?

 

[Indy]

And I look at the pages all the time- I don't know that I ever see more than one or two. And if there's that many, doesn't that mean people are looking and posting, keeping them up front?

Chris my point is that if they all did it then the SOS general discussion forum would become a promotion tool for their medium and the format would suffer as a result. Don't the photogs have an area where they all can post their wares?

I have no dog in this fight, I like looking at vids from time to time, pics too. I just don't see how if all the photogs brought their promotions to the general discussion area like FFV does that it would benefit the general discussion forum only.

 

[Frequency]

I was trying to keep track of all the FMO Sanibel pics and vids and it seemed like Jeff had two or three threads in the main forum. It would have been easier to follow if they were all in one thread.

Keep the pics and videos coming! :cheers2:

 

[Chris]

These are all suggestions that will be put to use both by the mods for how we manage things and I'm certain by Jeff. No doubt he wants to present his work in the most friendly and accessible way.

 

[DriverofDonzi]

For those that have not met James, he is a first rate guy. His photos are among best I have seen and is very professional. He is also a contributor to SupercatRacing.com which is perhaps the most important Offshore Racing site on the web. He also makes a very valid point in this thread.

:iagree: completely. I dont know James until I met him last summer. He is a cool guy to hang out with. He did a great job in all he does with boat racing!

Chris

 

[F1-00 Racing]

Chris,

I am sure you have things under control, but maybe a compromise would be that with Jeff being a contributor to SOS you put a sticky in "On the Dock" and "General Racing" letting Jeff announce that he will be uploading videos in the designated FF area. As much as we all (including James) enjoy the videos, it does get old seeing the same video in 3 to 4 different sections. Also this allows Jeff to only post once, saving him time which he can utilize doing other aspects of his business.

James has some valid points and I see no jealousy or animosity towards Jeff in any way. I guess in Lehman's terms hes asking since it is good for the goose, we should assume it is good for the gander?

Trent

 

[ApachePete]

Jeff's videos are the best thing on this site.

Don't watch them if you don't care to.

 

[Supercat Racing]

As I am Jeff's webmaster I can tell you all, he is starving. As wth everyone else in the marine industry, sales are way down. Jeff is certainly reacting to slumping sales and is doing his best to try and offset his losses. If we want the photogs to continue to exist, we need to be as patient as possible with multiple posts. I did just add a feature to his website that now allows him to post tons of Youtube videos to his own website. He then can make selections from his own database as to what he wants displayed here. Support him the same way he has given to all of us.

Marty

 

[Matt Trulio]

I guess I see things a little more simply: If you don't like a thread, don't open it.

Sort of the same reason I have a delete button for email.

 

[boatme]

I like the videos just put em in one place were we can find them for me it is just that they are scattered all over the place Be great if they were in one thread