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MikeyFIN said:
I might remember wrong but the weight of the Red Banner boat was 10600lbs.
And are the 4 yellow ones all then heavier, as I heard they are identical ?
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If by 4 yellow boats you mean predator, star chaser, and US1 (not sure what one you are considering the fourth) they came along after Warpath II, and are lighter than the banner boat. Warpath II was not part of the yellow boat group of predator, star chaser, US1, #4(?). I can prove this since the banner boat was raced after Warpath II, and US1 was used after the Banner boat. Not to mention that those yellow boats have the updated transom. Which the banner boat and Warpath does not have. I might be wrong myself, but this is always what I thought.
 
Chris said:
The INXS Fountain was no slouch in rough water, but the Apache could run it down in the really nasty stuff. On flat water, the Fountain really flew. And when racing came closer to shore, the Fountain really had an advantage. The previous INXS Superboat was a 47 Apache.
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Shame none of those boats never run in Europe..even later on as here the courses are still rough.
Especially CTC which brits like to pick on the "yanks" that do not have the nuts to do it there :)

I always think when people talk about INXS about the first one...good you pointed out which INXS.
 
xlr8by said:
If by 4 yellow boats you mean predator, star chaser, and US1 (not sure what one you are considering the fourth) they came along after Warpath II, and are lighter than the banner boat. Warpath II was not part of the yellow boat group of predator, star chaser, US1, #4(?). I can prove this since the banner boat was raced after Warpath II, and US1 was used after the Banner boat. Not to mention that those yellow boats have the updated transom. Which the banner boat and Warpath does not have. I might be wrong myself, but this is always what I thought.
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I was told the 4 Yellow ones include the Yellow Warpath and are identical.
doesn´t necessarily mean if the Banner boat was raced later that it would be built later, might been some other issues.

Yellow Warpath
Yellow Rabbit
Yellow Starchaser
Yellow Predator
 
It was called the Rabbit for a reason... lighter isn't always better and it depends on the conditions.

Buy the Freezeframe videos and watch the Atlantic City race for an example of how well the 47's faired in rough water.... The waves were huge, bow spray was hitting the copter above.... Predator and Island runner going at it head-to-head... can't get much better!
 
MikeyFIN said:
I was told the 4 Yellow ones include the Yellow Warpath and are identical.
doesn´t necessarily mean if the Banner boat was raced later that it would be built later, might been some other issues.

Yellow Warpath
Yellow Rabbit
Yellow Starchaser
Yellow Predator
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I still don't think this is correct, as JC and others have posted that Warpath I and Warpath II are heavy boats. The owner of Starchaser is on here and has proven based on the speed and power that his boat is running that it is light and Predator has been known to be a light boat. If the boats were the same why would Team Apache race US1 instead of Yellow Warpath if they were "identical"?

This post claims 3-4 yellow hulls http://www.seriousoffshore.com/forums/showpost.php?p=303406&postcount=525
This post lists Warpath I and Warpath II HIN# see here http://www.seriousoffshore.com/forums/showpost.php?p=302652&postcount=499

I still believe that Warpath II as the second HIN# is not the same as those other yellow boats simply based on when it was built, the transom, and the weight. I could still be wrong though, what is that saying believe none of what you hear, and half of what you read? :)
 
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Now I also think your´e right Yellow Warpath being the 2nd hull in 84 and a racehull can´t be similar to Predator and siblings as those are later boats (86`s ?)


This starts to remind me of a list I was involved in trying to list the 917 Porsches and found out that of several cars even Porsche switched numbers on chassies and then alter the resto buffs made replicas and called them real for just having some parts put together I made one Restoration shop In US quite tighlipped after I put the original invoices of the car in question and all the receipts of its racing career in the first team to the table and told I have them personally here.
Came up there´s two chassis and two racecars with same chassis number originating from one car and the other car also despite painted right sports a too early body...
Raceteams seldomly keep track of their stuff and do not have time or interest either.
I´m sure someday people will start to ask me a lot of stuff I´ve wrenched and boy would I remember everything.... probably not.
 
Geronimo36 said:
It was called the Rabbit for a reason... lighter isn't always better and it depends on the conditions.

Buy the Freezeframe videos and watch the Atlantic City race for an example of how well the 47's faired in rough water.... The waves were huge, bow spray was hitting the copter above.... Predator and Island runner going at it head-to-head... can't get much better!
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You don´t need to remind me a 3rd time, I promise : )
 
MikeyFIN said:
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It´s sorta like every Shelby Cobra owner telling how good cars Cobras are to drive and the Cobras ( factory backed and Daytona Coupé on top of that ) stomped the (privateers) Ferraris and then later on Carrol Shelby tells the Corvette and Cobra where both equally bad and handled like tractors!
On top of that Phil Hill adds that the Ferrari 250 GTO was the best there was at the time handlingwise. ______________________________________________________________________________
Ive been a member of the Shelby American Auto Club for many years and have attended and participated their conventions and open track events, as well as ferrari open track events. I raced a 427 SC Cobra replica virtually identical to the original and prepared by Cobra Automotive, they are very knowlegable in track preparation of all Shelby cars. Though Ive never heard any mention of Carrol Shelby putting down his own cars, I can tell you that they arent the most nimble of race cars. Some of the so called best handling cars are usually just considered good handling because they have excellent feel, are very predictable and the driver feels confident driving near or at the limit, but not necessarilly the fastest on the track. In the end the Cobra achieved with brute force and its own kind of skill, and the Ferrari couldnt match it with finness. 917 Porsches were a good example of this they were supposed to be difficult cars to handle but were unbeatable because of their other strengths.
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Warpath,
Do you mind posting photos of the cockpit and bulkheads of Warpath I and Warpath II? Also, have you ever thought about putting Warpath II back to original graphics?
 
Back to boats. I have papers from when Warpath 2 was taken to LakeX and it weighed around 10,800#. I Spoke to Tommy Evans about the weights of these three boats. He told me Warpath1 was the heavier than Warpath2 but just marginally and Warpath2 heavier than the Banner boat but also marginally. I beleive these three boats are within a few hundred pounds of each other succesively.
 
xlr8by said:
Warpath,
Do you mind posting photos of the cockpit and bulkheads of Warpath I and Warpath II? Also, have you ever thought about putting Warpath II back to original graphics?
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Okay I will post them as soon as I can. As for putting the original graphics on Warpath2 the only person that could do that right would be Gail Paik. There really is a lot more artwork and detail in those graphics and letters than you could see in pictures. Colors inside colors, really a lot of work and all done by hand. Finally allready having Warpath1 original you always have to be more careful not to scratch it ect. Warpath2 can be used with less worries.
 
warpath said:
Back to boats. I have papers from when Warpath 2 was taken to LakeX and it weighed around 10,800#. I Spoke to Tommy Evans about the weights of these three boats. He told me Warpath1 was the heavier than Warpath2 but just marginally and Warpath2 heavier than the Banner boat but also marginally. I beleive these three boats are within a few hundred pounds of each other succesively.
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Bob V of Warpaint stated his boat weighs in at 10600.
 
warpath said:
Back to boats. I have papers from when Warpath 2 was taken to LakeX and it weighed around 10,800#. I Spoke to Tommy Evans about the weights of these three boats. He told me Warpath1 was the heavier than Warpath2 but just marginally and Warpath2 heavier than the Banner boat but also marginally. I beleive these three boats are within a few hundred pounds of each other succesively.
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The second Warpath was built without the cabin liner, correct?
 
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