Truth vs Fiction

[Chart]

Also the model now known as the TOP GUN started out in 1978, being just called the 37.6. Cigarette was making a 39 footer that was 8 feet wide, but it had a bottom that encouraged flight./QUOTE]

Yes, you have to remember that the 39 was just the 35 footer stretched.....that means they took the back of the boat and just kept adding on, until they got to the point where they said OK.

Now the 35 as can be seen in the photo here, Natural Light, sat low enough with the twin staggered set up.....to stretch it and not add to the free board, they would have had the transom underwater on a 39.

So, they added the lip to the side of the boat to bring the deck up higher on the 39 as seen here on Long Shot. They did the same thing to the 40 when they stretched the 36 footer to 40 feet.

The 35 is the Mistress, right? It has a very low free board, and the 38/top gun has a tall free board. Both have the "crease" in the hull sides about the middle between the chine and the gunnel. I'm certainly not challenging your statements, but how do you explain that? Thanks.

 

[Top Banana]

Also the model now known as the TOP GUN started out in 1978, being just called the 37.6. Cigarette was making a 39 footer that was 8 feet wide, but it had a bottom that encouraged flight./QUOTE]



The 35 is the Mistress, right? It has a very low free board, and the 38/top gun has a tall free board. Both have the "crease" in the hull sides about the middle between the chine and the gunnel. I'm certainly not challenging your statements, but how do you explain that? Thanks.

The 35 hull is used on the Mistress and the Awesome, just different decks.

The sides, chine to rub rail, of both boats are the same.....the additional height comes from the deck above the rub rail. The Mistress was flat along the rub rail, the Top Gun has a deck that rises above the rubrail in the back of the boat.

The original deck on the Ajac Hawk was just a 36 race deck that was 10 feet wide and when they put it on the 8 foot wide boat, they cut the extra off and glassed it on. That is the style deck they used on all the race boats that size then.

What do you need explained about the "Crease"?

 

[Geronimo36]

Was there any reason for the Crease? IMHO it's what makes the Cig's and Apaches!!!!

Looking at the construction of my boat, it looks like Bobby glassed the whole length of the crease for stiffness?? Love the way my boat is built, it's a brick chit house!! It just makes it a bit difficult when you have to run a few wires thru numerous bulkheads but who cares!

 

[Top Banana]

If you have a "Wide" beam boat and you want to make it a "Narrow" beam boat but don't really want to change the bottom that has proven it really works, you cut the side and bend the top of the side in to make the "Narrow" beam. What is left in the side is a "Crease"

 

[Brownie]

Charlie, are you being fair, and posting both true and false stories?

 

[Airpacker]

Charlie, are you being fair, and posting both true and false stories?

Thats gonna take some explaining.

 

[Geronimo36]

Thats gonna take some explaining.

Yeah, what's deal?

 

[NJgr8ful]

Charlie, are you being fair, and posting both true and false stories?

hhmmmmm:bigear: :biggrinjester:

 

[Brownie]

Charlie's inference is that the WB and the 8' beam are the same boat, below amidships. If that were true, then Roseanne and Beyonce must share the same lower units............

 

[Brownie]

How about Aretha Franklin and Tina Turner?

 

[Top Banana]

Charlie, are you being fair, and posting both true and false stories?

As we know the bottom of that 35 was built with a different spec from the 36and had a nice rocker to it. As a plug, it just sat there for a while before it was actually built into a mold and a real boat.

Any inference that they, the 35 and 36, are the same bottom and just the sides were changed is misleading on my part, I should have been clearer.....but then again that is why Brownie is here to keep us on the straight and narrow.

Actually you know who I should ask.....at the restaurant last week, I referred to his creating not only the sport of offshore, but also you and me too!! He would know for sure.

PS I didn't mention anything about Glastron having the "crease" for years before either.

 

[Brownie]

By the way, Nick Chapman, who "plugged" many of the famous vee's, said that the 'knuckle' was the most difficult hullside feature, and never did another. All the other Ciggie type boats with knuckles, were direct "pops".

 

[northernoffshore]

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[northernoffshore]

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[Chart]

The 35 hull is used on the Mistress and the Awesome, just different decks.

The sides, chine to rub rail, of both boats are the same.....the additional height comes from the deck above the rub rail. The Mistress was flat along the rub rail, the Top Gun has a deck that rises above the rub rail in the back of the boat.

The original deck on the Ajac Hawk was just a 36 race deck that was 10 feet wide and when they put it on the 8 foot wide boat, they cut the extra off and glassed it on. That is the style deck they used on all the race boats that size then.

What do you need explained about the "Crease"?

Sorry for any confusion. I meant if the 35 (Mistress/Awesome) hull was stretched to 37.5', the transom rub rail should be at the waterline because the 35's are such a low free board boat to start with. After looking at several pictures of 35's and then of 38's (both flat decks and top guns), it's obvious the 38's have taller hull sides.

The crease appears to centered halfway between the chine and gunnel on both the 35 and the 38, but that is harder to see in pictures and therefore I'm not as certain of this as I am of the above statement. But assuming it is centered on both the 35 and 38, then the top of the hull side of the 38 couldn't have just been built up higher in the molding process to create a deeper/taller boat.

I'm willing to accept the 38 is a stretched 35, but how do you resolve the hull side / rub rail issues between the two models?

 

[MikeyFIN]

Yes, you have to remember that the 39 was just the 35 footer stretched.....that means they took the back of the boat and just kept adding on, until they got to the point where they said OK.

Now the 35 as can be seen in the photo here, Natural Light, sat low enough with the twin staggered set up.....to stretch it and not add to the freeboard, they would have had the transom underwater on a 39.

So, they added the lip to the side of the boat to bring the deck up higher on the 39 as seen here on Long Shot. They did the same thing to the 40 when they stretched the 36 footer to 40 feet.

hmmm .... dear mr. McCarthy did you forget about the Cig/Squadron 39 ?
That didn´t have a kink and Bobby Saccenti had to use that mold for Jerry Kilpatricks Apache with a different deck (raised Gunnels) than the regular 39 Squadron.

 

[MikeyFIN]

And here´s the Customer/regular version:
The SQ had a fairing like a Flatdeck or late Mistress and the Cig 39 Squadron had a V shaped one.
Can anyone tell something about these 39´s ?

 

[MikeyFIN]

And is this the Apache of Kilpatrick in the background?

plus another pick of a black regular SQ39

 

[Toasty]

James Cann in the black and red squadron

 

[MikeyFIN]

Yes indeed James Caan it is, didn´t even look that close at the guys.

the interior and cockpit of one is exactly like a 35 Mistress and by looking at a 39 seems the extra 4 feet is just in the engine comp to make room for Staggereds, right?