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To all P-class racers in KW !!!!!!!
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MOBILEMERCMAN
Founding Member / Competitor
SkaterDave, I can't argue your point about building your own engine. My post was in response to your tech inspection and cost post.
Robert, I understand the only inspection in P classes in boat length. The discussions of spec rules have gotten mixed in this discussion.
Ratickle, Isn't that what Tyler has done?
As far as the sandbagging. I believe these guys miss the spirit of the rules. I don't know what the answer is. It definitely lets the big check book have an advantage. That one point ruins class racing in my mind,
Robert, I understand the only inspection in P classes in boat length. The discussions of spec rules have gotten mixed in this discussion.
Ratickle, Isn't that what Tyler has done?
As far as the sandbagging. I believe these guys miss the spirit of the rules. I don't know what the answer is. It definitely lets the big check book have an advantage. That one point ruins class racing in my mind,
2TR
Competitor
It's not picking on SBI, I'm stating a fact. If you think SBI is running fine so be it... I'm just telling you why I have not and will not race SBI
I'm sure I'm not the only one to feel this way.
F1-00 Racing
Competitor
It is what it is, obviously OPA works for you, thats great. I have said time and time again that Smitty has done wonderful things. I have also said that "All Associations have fleas" and come to think of it I have said for years, "race where it is best for your team".
SBI works for John Carbonell, and really thats all that counts. Do I have issues with the way he runs it, yes w/o a doubt, do you have issues with it, by your posts it looks as though you do. That all doesnt matter as it is John Carbonell's business and he will do what he feels is best for his business, just as we do for ours everyday. As far as fees are concerned, I am honestly surprised that he hasnt gone up on them. ie the price of fuel went up and I had to charge my customers more on their bills every month, but when it went down I lowered my prices again. My business, my choice. In his case the price of the bleachers in KW went up to 22,000 this year from approx 16,000 last year. Who pays for this? With him being in business to make money, he has a few choices, eliminate them all together, raise fees, find a sponsor to fill the void. Now a sponsor would be the perfect way, but as the way the economy is, sponsors arent just cutting checks anymore on a whim, look at the fallout from Nascar and the 4-5 major pullouts already and their season isnt even over yet. side note:bleachers is just an example, everything has gone up
Smitty is able to run OPA and yes I am sure he has it setup as an LLC or some sort of corp, but what is his overhead and payroll for the staff? I dont profess to know, but I am pretty sure its next to nothing. He has his dry storage, and service shop which pays his personal bills, JC has SBI.
Now to the topic at hand, SBI amended their rules to match up speed wise with OPA. No they didnt add Class 6 as there was no participation or boats requesting it down here. 1 team(Simmons) came down and raced. So now SBI feels that it is time to re-evaluate and I have been told that they are trying to eliminate 2 P-classes and add the 4000 purse from those to the 3 remaining classes. Do I see it happening?, I dont know, they eliminated F1 and SVL and still announced a 75,000 purse and showed a payout to those classes that didnt exist. As I said above, his business, his choice, whether we like it or not. The meeting essentially is just a waste of time(basically takes time away from Duval) as SBI is going to do what they want to do. As proven by my direct situation in Clearwater, racer input was not taken into account and they did what they felt was best for their business. I inturn had to make a decision for the best of my team(business) and after discussions with the sponsor it was decided to go, which turned out to be the best thing I could have done with what we have working for the future overall.
Rick, I know the fees suck, I wish I could go to Applebee's and eat for free as well, but unfortunately I have to pay. Enjoy the ride and privledge that Smitty has created for you guys up there, in this economy it might not last for long and then he will have to start charging entries. When I raced full time in OPA the entry was 500 per race and only had Atlantic City and Cambridge with a purse. enjoy it while it lasts and most importantly BE SAFE!!
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2TR
Competitor
Trent,
Lets take Smitty, OPA, OSS and everyone out the the equation and look at it like this.
How would you increase boat count in SBI?
- Lower fees
Maybe SBI Can do the 1000.00 yr per "P" class boat and for spec boats keep the fees the same. You need to bring racers back and high entry fees are not working.
SBI needs to do something because having 15 boats at any event in Florida is a crazy.
Lets take Smitty, OPA, OSS and everyone out the the equation and look at it like this.
How would you increase boat count in SBI?
- Lower fees
Maybe SBI Can do the 1000.00 yr per "P" class boat and for spec boats keep the fees the same. You need to bring racers back and high entry fees are not working.
SBI needs to do something because having 15 boats at any event in Florida is a crazy.
SVL66
Charter Member
ok here I go.....I promised myself I'de stay out of this.
First: I dont really think the SBI P class structure is all that bad. If you race with SBI, maybe just maybe, you should have a say.
Second: 2TR lets be honest. How many OPA races have you done this year? Why complain about SBI charging to race, if you havent raced with OPA all year?
Third: SBI is a business. If you dont want to pay to race...Dont race with them. Up Until 2006, We have always paid entry and equipment fees. Now...just because OPA offers no entry fees, we expect everyone else to follow suit. Every business has their own model. If SBI relies on entry fees to operate, its their business.
And lastly....JC was gracious enough to prorate our equipment fees in Sarasota. And to refund it when they offered OSS teams to race without points and purse.
First: I dont really think the SBI P class structure is all that bad. If you race with SBI, maybe just maybe, you should have a say.
Second: 2TR lets be honest. How many OPA races have you done this year? Why complain about SBI charging to race, if you havent raced with OPA all year?
Third: SBI is a business. If you dont want to pay to race...Dont race with them. Up Until 2006, We have always paid entry and equipment fees. Now...just because OPA offers no entry fees, we expect everyone else to follow suit. Every business has their own model. If SBI relies on entry fees to operate, its their business.
And lastly....JC was gracious enough to prorate our equipment fees in Sarasota. And to refund it when they offered OSS teams to race without points and purse.
2TR
Competitor
Bruce,
I only raced 2 OPA events this summer and I'm not Complaining, question was asked and I tossed in my 2 cents.
F1-00 Racing
Competitor
Rick,
I understand where you are coming from and somewhat agree with you. But with this being concerns of yours, did you as OPA racers approach Smitty after seeing the post of the Billy Mauff(OSS) deal and ask him to call JC and structure the same deal for OPA racers? For that matter did you yourself call JC and ask him if that could apply to you? As upset/****ed that I might be for my class placement, I called JC and spoke with him and asked him if that deal could be applicable in my situation and his response was that he would honor it for both OSS and OPA racers and knowing that I found a loop hole that Pro Am racing was free this year in OSS, he said I didnt need to send in my paperwork to OSS, he would give my team the deal as well. As you see, as Bruce said I was scored but I did not reap the rewards of points or purse. Sometimes it is as simple as a phone call.......
I understand where you are coming from and somewhat agree with you. But with this being concerns of yours, did you as OPA racers approach Smitty after seeing the post of the Billy Mauff(OSS) deal and ask him to call JC and structure the same deal for OPA racers? For that matter did you yourself call JC and ask him if that could apply to you? As upset/****ed that I might be for my class placement, I called JC and spoke with him and asked him if that deal could be applicable in my situation and his response was that he would honor it for both OSS and OPA racers and knowing that I found a loop hole that Pro Am racing was free this year in OSS, he said I didnt need to send in my paperwork to OSS, he would give my team the deal as well. As you see, as Bruce said I was scored but I did not reap the rewards of points or purse. Sometimes it is as simple as a phone call.......
DAREDEVIL
Banned
Guys,,,you are all some what right and wrong,,,,,,but this is not about entry fees or getting more boats to SBI....THIS IS ABOUT THE CURRENT BOATS AND RULES IN P-CLASS IN SBI !!!!!!!!!!!!
SO PLEASE LETS STAY FOCUSED,,,,IF U WHANT TO DISCUSS THEN STAY FOCUSED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Right now its 75-85-95-105-115 MPH
There are NO 95 MPH boats ..... so lets rumble some together and make it work FOR US !!!!!
Not for OPA ,,OSS !!!!!!!
SO PLEASE LETS STAY FOCUSED,,,,IF U WHANT TO DISCUSS THEN STAY FOCUSED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Right now its 75-85-95-105-115 MPH
There are NO 95 MPH boats ..... so lets rumble some together and make it work FOR US !!!!!
Not for OPA ,,OSS !!!!!!!
2TR
Competitor
Never even seen the post, to be honest after I tore the transom than caught my boat on fire I was pretty much over it this year.
SVL66
Charter Member
i dont think a class should be eliminated just because there havent been any boats in that class this year. Class3 seems to be a class speed that many boats can achieve. The only reason there have been no boats in that class is because there havent been that many boats running SBI. In the past, there have been many P3 boats.
I would say leave it alone. But thats just me
I would say leave it alone. But thats just me
2TR
Competitor
Most of your posts have absolutley nothing to do with this thread !!!
I don't get it .
White Castle's are better when your drinking..
F1-00 Racing
Competitor
Already posted my opinions on page 3......
DAREDEVIL
Banned
forgot,,,sorry:sifone:
That was the one where u said i ran u off,,,,,,,mmmhhhh...still here ??? LOL
F1-00 Racing
Competitor
Also I'm done with P class as a boat owner, if I decide to race ever again it will be in spec only, unless someone needs a driver/throttleman to fill in or something and its not my equipment, then I do my job and go home, the owner can deal with the BS of P class
F1-00 Racing
Competitor
lol you ran me off from racing, but yes after some cooling down I am one of the few insignificant idiots still posting on the boards, the baby is asleep, I need something to fill the time lol
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