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What Dean posted is very accurate.
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Tips for a Rookie on Turning
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MOBILEMERCMAN
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There are obviously different perspectives here.. My take is first learn the boat and its limitations. Second learn to read the water Like Wahoo has mentioned. Third in a race you don't always get choose your line. It is often dictated to you by the wakes of the other boats and the seas. You need to learn where NOT to go. Finally you need to learn how to adapt to situations you have little control of and in an instant make a choice. When you make a poor decision ugly things can happen.
In the end I believe it all comes down to understand you equipment and its limitation. The boat will only turn so hard.. You can not force it to do what it wont do.
After you figure all that out you can then focus on being fast in a turn.
In the end I believe it all comes down to understand you equipment and its limitation. The boat will only turn so hard.. You can not force it to do what it wont do.
After you figure all that out you can then focus on being fast in a turn.
Underdog88
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...just remember that to win a race you do not have to or really want to turn "hard". In a rough water race it is about picking the smoothest line without giving ground to a competitor. In a smooth water race it is about being smooth without losing or scrubing speed. Most turns are 2 pins and the quickest way around is one bend, not two tight turns.QUOTE]
Thanks! Can you or anyone give me an idea what the radious of an average turn is in a race? Then maybe the tightest you ever run at any course?
I'm most interested in the MI races. I watched the St Clair race on the net last year
I guess I'm having a hard time picturing running 75mph then driving it into a corner at that speed. I'm sure that's where the races are won as any one of the teams can run their bracket speed on the straights. Do they usually maintain that speed in corners?
MMerc: "My take is first learn the boat and its limitations. Second learn to read the water Like Wahoo has mentioned. Third in a race you don't always get choose your line."
1- Been doing that as much as I can safely, going to do more solo this year with a spotter/friend's boat nearby.
2nd- Reading the water... I watched OPA run in Mentor/L Erie from my boat and run that lake several times a year. How do you read that crap?! I call it Moguels like the skiers run. Ran balls out on a PkrRun from Sandusky to P Clinton couple years ago and beat the crap outa me, wife and boat. Off the throttle alot trying to keep some prop in the water. I have been in the Atlantic w/it also and can get some timing going on that kind of water.
3rd- I'll be the one running way outside trying to stay outa the way for the first few.
Thanks All! Great stuff!
B.U.I...zilla sorry. Not trying to send you bad carma or anything...
DAREDEVIL
Banned
...just remember that to win a race you do not have to or really want to turn "hard". In a rough water race it is about picking the smoothest line without giving ground to a competitor. In a smooth water race it is about being smooth without losing or scrubing speed. Most turns are 2 pins and the quickest way around is one bend, not two tight turns.QUOTE]
Thanks! Can you or anyone give me an idea what the radious of an average turn is in a race? Then maybe the tightest you ever run at any course?
I'm most interested in the MI races. I watched the St Clair race on the net last year
I guess I'm having a hard time picturing running 75mph then driving it into a corner at that speed. I'm sure that's where the races are won as any one of the teams can run their bracket speed on the straights. Do they usually maintain that speed in corners?
MMerc: "My take is first learn the boat and its limitations. Second learn to read the water Like Wahoo has mentioned. Third in a race you don't always get choose your line."
1- Been doing that as much as I can safely, going to do more solo this year with a spotter/friend's boat nearby.
2nd- Reading the water... I watched OPA run in Mentor/L Erie from my boat and run that lake several times a year. How do you read that crap?! I call it Moguels like the skiers run. Ran balls out on a PkrRun from Sandusky to P Clinton couple years ago and beat the crap outa me, wife and boat. Off the throttle alot trying to keep some prop in the water. I have been in the Atlantic w/it also and can get some timing going on that kind of water.
3rd- I'll be the one running way outside trying to stay outa the way for the first few.
Thanks All! Great stuff!
B.U.I...zilla sorry. Not trying to send you bad carma or anything...
u will not turn @ 75 mph !!!!!!!
just make a nice wide turn @ 70 and u be fine !
2nd. beating the chit out of you..thats racing..lol
3rd. smaller / slower boats stay to the inside....trusst me !!!!!!!!!!
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Wahoo 214
Charter Member
In every class you will chop the throttle before you turn to set the boat. Most of the time at the end of a straight away the boat is fully up on the pad and chine walking. Chopping the throttle sets the boat down in the water. Right after this the driver can feel the boat hook up and at the point he can begin to turn. In sloppy water that can take a little while for the boat to hook up. Once the driver feels the boat settle into the turn, I start to throttle hard and right after that I trim up the drives to pick up RPM. (going into the turn and half way thru drives and tabs are neutral) Once we are straight and level again I bring the drive back to neutral and head for 110 mph.
In St Clair last year we were hitting the corners at 107ish, before chopping throttles, and exiting in the mid 70s. It is a very tight.
In St Clair last year we were hitting the corners at 107ish, before chopping throttles, and exiting in the mid 70s. It is a very tight.
DAREDEVIL
Banned
110 ????? come on ....i thought your boat only runs 104 !!!!! LOL :bump::sifone:
I'm Going to have to Call Uncle B.S. on some of this stuff, And i wouldn't look for a whole lot of Turning expertise out of DareDevil. THis guy wants to learn to turn the boat on a race course not the trailer in the parking lot. I do appreciate everyones input on their methods, all different and different from mine. Also don't forget your liable to be a couple feet from someones Dry Exhaust Screaming in your helmet at 5-7000 RPM's and I remember one where it seemed that the RF or something from an MSD made the intercom Scream as well. Man i miss that stuff. I gotta get to work on that boat.
Underdog88
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I'm Lovin it...
Wahoo: "Chopping the throttle sets the boat down in the water. Right after this the driver can feel the boat hook up and at the point he can begin to turn."
Please describe CHOP THE THROTTLES. Back off or slam them closed or shut down hard then back into it part way?
"In St Clair last year we were hitting the corners at 107ish, before chopping throttles, and exiting in the mid 70s. It is a very tight."
Very tight... 100 yard wide hair pin or??? Guesstimate?
Thanks Wahoo! Much appreciated!
BUI
"I do appreciate everyones input on their methods, all different and different from mine."
Please offer you methods. I'd LOVE to hear from as many racers as will let me pick their brains.
Thanks again all!
Mark Underwood
UnderdogRacing.com
Wahoo: "Chopping the throttle sets the boat down in the water. Right after this the driver can feel the boat hook up and at the point he can begin to turn."
Please describe CHOP THE THROTTLES. Back off or slam them closed or shut down hard then back into it part way?
"In St Clair last year we were hitting the corners at 107ish, before chopping throttles, and exiting in the mid 70s. It is a very tight."
Very tight... 100 yard wide hair pin or??? Guesstimate?
Thanks Wahoo! Much appreciated!
BUI
"I do appreciate everyones input on their methods, all different and different from mine."Please offer you methods. I'd LOVE to hear from as many racers as will let me pick their brains.
Thanks again all!
Mark Underwood
UnderdogRacing.com
DAREDEVIL
Banned
LOL,,,why don't u work on my boat and we could both have fun..gets u back in and me off the trailer......hahahaha
:sifone::seeya:
phragle
Charter Member
All I have to say is that sitting in the med boat, watching somebody come into turn two on the first lap leaving the rest of the field in the vapor trail, you will probably wipe out, then the rest of the field you just left, catches up while your boat is doing an aqua-gymnastics routine, and I get really nervous.... So please..don't do that!!!!
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POWERPLAY33
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Wahoo 214
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That was a little home field adrenaline rush. :driving:
Wahoo 214
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When I "chop the throttles", it is anywhere from 1/2 to fully closed throttle. It depends on the feel of the boat and water conditions. It is all about the boat setup and water conditions.
What makes St Clair tight are steel bouys, current (7mph), holes in the water, wake of the seawalls and a narrow river.
What makes St Clair tight are steel bouys, current (7mph), holes in the water, wake of the seawalls and a narrow river.
MOBILEMERCMAN
Founding Member / Competitor
In the days past of F2 you chop the throttles you go to the back.. We would never lift Ever..Not in turns, not to "set the boat", not in spray, Never. Every time you lift for a moment you lost a boat length you could not make up.
We never spun out, never hit anyone.
We never spun out, never hit anyone.
MOBILEMERCMAN
Founding Member / Competitor
In SVL last season there were turns so tight we would slow some. Still never lifted past half throttle.
You must understand your equipment, know your partner, and your limitations.
You must understand your equipment, know your partner, and your limitations.
DAREDEVIL
Banned
Thats because u drive !!!!!!!!! and i have to say..i think your doing a good job at it !
Some do , some don't..i can't drive...only good at throttles .
Wahoo 214
Charter Member
You guys must have incredible back in the day. Today not only do see the boats lift for a turn but you can hear them do it.
MOBILEMERCMAN
Founding Member / Competitor
In all fairness the courses have gotten shorter and tighter.
Yes, F2 was crazy.. You lift you lose. It was just that simple.
Yes, F2 was crazy.. You lift you lose. It was just that simple.
Wahoo 214
Charter Member
Watch this video of Randy at 2:36, 4:40 and 5:18 of the video you will Randy lift for the turn. Looks a sounds like more than 1/2 throttle and I didn't see him get passed. If you ain't lifting on todays courses you are going twice as far as everyone on the inside.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip7A6l8AVYU&feature=email
Great video by the way!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip7A6l8AVYU&feature=email
Great video by the way!
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