The Great Unification

[litenup]

With oss gone ,most of the not so nice ,I,m better than you ,my way or not at all attitudes are being flushed down the toilet where they belong .

The same guy who for years has complained about winning a title against little or no competition in sbi , has just won a national title in oss while never winning one race against a competitor .
Now go back to john in KW and ask forgivenessAGAIN:rofl:

 

[DAREDEVIL]

With oss gone ,most of the not so nice ,I,m better than you ,my way or not at all attitudes are being flushed down the toilet where they belong .

The same guy who for years has complained about winning a title against little or no competition in sbi , has just won a national title in oss while never winning one race against a competitor .
Now go back to john in KW and ask forgivenessAGAIN:rofl:

Who was that ????

 

[Ryan Beckley]

Hey Mike (Klaatu)t hanks for coming back again!!!

Yep, I won the OSS championship AGAIN, ONLY because I was the only boat to run every race. I also raced in Sunny Isles, Sarasota, Michigan City, Clearwater this weekend and KW too, as I have for the last 3 years!

What is your point???

Please explain this to me???

I have raced about 10 races a year for the last 5 or so years, how many have you fielded a team for to support racing in your LIFE.

PS we will be in Biloxi next April for the season opener with OSS in 2010....

 

[SVL66]

With oss gone ,most of the not so nice ,I,m better than you ,my way or not at all attitudes are being flushed down the toilet where they belong .

The same guy who for years has complained about winning a title against little or no competition in sbi , has just won a national title in oss while never winning one race against a competitor .
Now go back to john in KW and ask forgivenessAGAIN:rofl:

get back under your rock. no one said you can come out.

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

He must have lost his rubber ducky. He is just jealous, bitter and juvenile.

 

[DAREDEVIL]

Hey Mike (Klaatu)t hanks for coming back again!!!

Yep I won the OSS championship AGAIN, ONLY because I was the only boat to run every race. I aloso race in Sunny Isles, Sarasota, Michigan City, Clearwater this weekend and KW too, as I have for the last 3 years!

What is your point???

Please explain this to me???

I have raced about 10 races a year for the last 5 or so years, how many have you fielded a team for to support racing in your LIFE.

PS we will be in Biloxi next April for the season opener with OSS in 2010....

Ryan,,CONGRATS !!!

But its the same reason u tell me all the time........if u havent raced anybody ,u did not win !!!

Your own words. LOL

But hey ,,a championship is a championship and if nobody comes to play it is not your ,,in my case . my fault.

So again Congrats.:USA:

 

[cigdaze]

Good bye, Mike.

 

[Pete B]

Ryan has HAD competition, it was the competition that hasnt shown up at every race!
Whether you question the conviction or the end result, Ryan Races and is a ambassador to the sport, if Half the teams had his desire and comittment to compete, OSracing would be much better off. And the Key word is to "compete".

Congrats on your National Championship, COB looked great in LOTO.

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

Lets get back on track. On a positive note. It appears there is a growing willingness to have more joint races. OPA and OSS tried. More advance notice may have helped bring a better turn out. I hear SBI my be willing to try again. We will see..If nothing else SBI welcomed SVL.

No one ever knows what the future holds. Maybe a Series made up from the best sites of each can evolve into the next level.

It is up to the owners as much as the orgs to communicate and work together to bring the number of classes down.

 

[DAREDEVIL]

Ryan has HAD competition, it was the competition that hasnt shown up at every race!
Whether you question the conviction or the end result, Ryan Races and is a ambassador to the sport, if Half the teams had his desire and comittment to compete, OSracing would be much better off. And the Key word is to "compete".

Congrats on your National Championship, COB looked great in LOTO.

ABSOLUTLEY !!!! I agree.

 

[Wahoo 214]

Maybe a Series made up from the best sites of each can evolve into the next level. QUOTE]

Jim,
That is easier sad than done. If teams pick and chose races between different Orgs, it is not good for either of the orgs. I will use my Harrison Twp MI race as an example. We are on a limited budget and if many of your OPA teams chose to skip it to go elsewhere or save $ and equipment for St Clair, our race would go away. Some would say thats OK because other better sites would step in. Well that hasn't happened yet and if it was replaced with say Biloxi or LOTO, the majority of the OPA teams would not be racing that weekend.

The best thing thing that can happen, (in my opinion) is for Orgs to go away and consolidate teams. We need to make a choice as to what Org can grow the sport and support that Org. I think the economy over the next 3-4 yrs will do just that.

We need the same rules and classes accross the board to help the consolidation move forward.

 

[Ratickle]

I've tried to do everything I can to figure this out. I still say if you keep talking, and use that discussion to improve a list of things in order of importance for the sport, you'll figure it out. Things that stick out in my mind.

1. Races on the same day, In The Same General Area, should not happen. Hurts everyone who cannot afford to take time off and travel long distances.

2. Make some kind of membership deal with each other where it is not full price to race the other org by making one joint tech inspection deal for the season. Don't know how, but you guys can figure it out I'm sure.

3. Standardize the rules for classes. My research shows 37 classes, 30 of which are unique in some way.

4. To me this is key, Work with each other to have at least 3 joint races, plus the worlds joint.

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

Dean, It is just an Idea.. I firmly believe in supporting your org.

Just as an example. Biloxi, Sarasota, St Clair, Pt Pleasant and LOTO. Each site and each org would benefit from a huge turn out. If it is planned well in advance and invitations were made to everyone every body benefits.

The actually unification is many steps away IMO. It may never happen. I see this as a step to benefit everyone equally in the mean time.

Clearly there are teams that enjoy events from every orgs. Why not build on it?

The choice of what org can grow it is STILL the million dollar question.

I don't see any one making everyone happy. Every org has its loyal supporters. Not everyone wants the same thing. Now for the guys that do want it all; A broad selection of events ranging though all regions, in all types of water, against the best in each org, from April through November I say this worth discussing.

 

[Wahoo 214]

Jim, That would be a great schedule, but more than half of the OPA teams would not make that schedule and those that did go would hurt the other sites.

To me it is kinda like baseball where the big market teams have to support the smaller markets with revenue sharing. Each Org needs "their" teams to support their entire schedule. Race sites also need this so they can count on a certain level of turnout. How can an Org charge $150k for an event when one site gets 30 boats and the next 14? This is why I believe teams creating their own series out of different Orgs schedule actually hurts the sport as a whole. Unless they run the whole series with one org and fill in their schedule with other events.

The only answer is to create north and south divisions with same rules and classes and then meet for a championship.

 

[Wahoo 214]

Just for kicks, how about we take Biloxi in early June as the season opener for OPA/OSS and add it to the other OPA races. That's the North division. Take LOTO and add it to the SBI schedule and call that the Southern division. At the end of that we meet in KW for a real championship.

Than in 2011 we start to cut classes down.

 

[Ratickle]

I really think there is room for four divisions, and everyone would benefit. Northeast, Southeast, Midwest, West.

Everyone keeps forgetting about the west, but there are races there with POPRA that have room for growth. And, if you could throw in a Las Vegas race in Mead, where all orgs were invited including the Europeans, you'd have something potentially huge.

Draw your 12 hour drive circle for each area, just like you did for OPA, and see what you get. Then, whether there is unification or not, make sure you have one fully joint race in each of those four areas. At a key location....

And don't ever schedule conflicting races on the same date in the same 12 hour circle area.

 

[Ratickle]

Just for kicks, how about we take Biloxi in early June as the season opener for OPA/OSS and add it to the other OPA races. That's the North division. Take LOTO and add it to the SBI schedule and call that the Southern division. At the end of that we meet in KW for a real championship.

Than in 2011 we start to cut classes down.

Anyone who wants a spreadsheet of classes in Excel, PM me your email address. If you find errors or ommisions, let me know and I'll continue to work on it and re-email it as modified to all who want it..

 

[Wahoo 214]

Well classes are whole other problem. But here goes.
C1-6
Cat Outboard (if 5 or more boats)
SV Power to weight (with weight advantage for Bravo Boats)
Cat Power to weight or air restricted not sure which works better for cats.

 

[Ratickle]

Well classes are whole other problem. But here goes.
C1-6
Cat Outboard (if 5 or more boats)
SV Power to weight (with weight advantage for Bravo Boats)
Cat Power to weight or air restricted not sure which works better for cats.

Does additional weight really effect a 6 boat enough to make it competitive with an identical Bravo boat?

I'd also do SVL for sure.

 

[Wahoo 214]

Does additional weight really effect a 6 boat enough to make it competitive with an identical Bravo boat?

I'd also do SVL for sure.

Not sure. But give me 500lbs and I think I would be competitive with the new 42s.

I know you guys love the SVL, but they are down to 3 boats at the "National Championship". Additionally, I dont think they are a "premier" class. We really only need two of them, one V and one Cat.