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Joe,
Yours is an easy question to answer, but it requires large amounts of money. Like it or not, there is no magical idea or change that will get you TV, large crowds, or an entertaining product that will attract sponsors, etc. Either develop a business plan and secure substantial capital to implement that plan or forget about it. Stated another way: The sport cannot be fixed for free.
MOBILEMERCMAN
Founding Member / Competitor
All I am saying is for years we have been making it spectator friendly. What for really. You can't charge admission. You can't count on ticket sales.
Racing was better when it was racing. Before the concessions for spectators.
X cat has the biggest fleets currently and from What I have read they are few spectators.
Joey, I am not talking about You and all your cameras. I am talking about the whole fleet of cameras used to produced as a show of the race. Not the individual highlight reals.
audacity
Competitor
us and aqua mania have been working on developing systems....for everyone.
"All I am saying is for years we have been making it spectator friendly. What for really. You can't charge admission. You can't count on ticket sales." well, they figured out a way to take my money to see airplanes race this weekend! lol....imagine that, airplanes flying and you gotta pay to watch...
"All I am saying is for years we have been making it spectator friendly. What for really. You can't charge admission. You can't count on ticket sales." well, they figured out a way to take my money to see airplanes race this weekend! lol....imagine that, airplanes flying and you gotta pay to watch...
MOBILEMERCMAN
Founding Member / Competitor
Imagine that.:lurk5: Someone like Red Bull put up a lot of money.
MOBILEMERCMAN
Founding Member / Competitor
Joey, I have heard the Red Bull air races are pretty cool. I have never been or seen one on TV. Do they let jets compete with the prop planes?
It is not a question of "Red Bull" or some large company like that putting up money. Red Bull is a sponsor. Sponsor money is used for many things: prize purse, promotions, etc. That is not the same as the investment capital required to build the product. Rather, sponsor money is used to grow the sport. Big difference. Like it or not, however, there is no product right now. None can be built from what exists now. This conversation about cameras, offshore vs. inshore, etc. is fun, but if anyone thinks picking one of these ideas and running with it is the answer, you are wrong.
Business plan + investment capital + execution of plan = (hopefully) profitable product. If you cannot figure out a way for your capital supplier to actually get an acceptable rate of return (i.e. MAKE MONEY$$$$$$) on that investment then fogeddaboutit. No free fix, magic elixir, turd polish...
Sean Stinson
Founding Member/Contributor
You forgot all the West Coast guys De La Torre, the showbiz boat, Tom Brunner ran an F1 I ran a F1 as well as a F2 as well as other stuff
audacity
Competitor
i'm sure they don't...lol
mike a. hit it on the head...we need a product to sell...
Business plan + investment capital + execution of plan = (hopefully) profitable product. If you cannot figure out a way for your capital supplier to actually get an acceptable rate of return (i.e. MAKE MONEY$$$$$$) on that investment then fogeddaboutit. No free fix, magic elixir, turd polish...[/QUOTE]
Maybe this will happen one day, but in the meantime....wouldn't it be nice if the racers could take some positive steps forward, forget the past problems, compromise a little here and there and turn these events that the producers work hard and long to put together into something of substance...start with SIB and then Sarasota...and move on from there...just showing up seems to me to be half the battle.
Maybe this will happen one day, but in the meantime....wouldn't it be nice if the racers could take some positive steps forward, forget the past problems, compromise a little here and there and turn these events that the producers work hard and long to put together into something of substance...start with SIB and then Sarasota...and move on from there...just showing up seems to me to be half the battle.
Sean Stinson
Founding Member/Contributor
Until you learn how to play in the same sandbox you don't have anything but the same thing that isn't doing anything!!!
Steve Miklos
Charter Member / Competitor
Steve Miklos
Charter Member / Competitor
Steve Miklos
Charter Member / Competitor
That is a double edge sword.
I watched for years as current racers bamboozled old racers/nice guys who were officials to get what they wanted and chased away the bulk of the racers.
I remember Mike A. and I botching the restart in Sarasota P class race because we were working on new protocols for cautions periods during the yellow flag period. You need someone non biased current on equipment and racing in a technical position. If not you have old guys (with their allegiances) who raced 10-15 years ago or Mercury Racing to consult to make decisions. Do you want an official taking your competitors word on how things should be done? Not eveyone is political enough to get their say many times the nice guys just leave the sport.
The job Mike A. and the LLC conned me into was to be 90 days while we found a permanent candidate. It became clear by the amount of BS the racers and manufacturers were feeding us that it was a hard job. We talked to many people no one wanted the job and I was and have always been a racer.
The classes we made live on today in a somewhat tortured no longer commercially viable means.
Think of this Super V and Super V lite alone generated 400k per year in cash an international press pool and additional cash prize money/tangiable purchase incentives. in 2002/2003
While some cannot figure out why Mike and I bring up the past others know. I was around to witness John Kenyon's A and B class that were as big as Factory class destroyed by allowing a few key events (dragon lady in B class Fabio Buzzi in A class) This combined 40+ boat fleet was reduced to 8 boats. Sound familiar? Gene told us this had happened before and he put some base control in place before Factory got launched. Truth be told Gene wanted an X dimension rule from day one and insisted on the homologation rule. He also was quick to show us the picture of the 1st 24 Skater taken with 4 decks (to look like 5 complete boats) to circumvent the 5 hull and deck homologation rule.
Live and learn or repeat and fail
SIB and Sarasota are a great start to getting ontrack.
Steve
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THEJOKER
New member
Nope SVL. Ask Miklos....it was the last year before the smaller motors.
Moving2Miami
New member
Actually, Red Bull owns the series...
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