The Great Unification

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

Rich there is not a conflict of dates for Clearwater.

I have posted every ones schedule in a Forum Events Calender. Tab near top left corner of screen.

 

[stevequick]

Rich,

You are the King of negativity.
If I listened to the historical perspectives of people like you I would have a trade, instead of Jewelry Stores. Occasionally a little luck and a positive attitude can and has created success.
It has to start somewhere.
Reading your last post gave me a whole new respect for Gino, Frank, Randy, Sean and a few others. I struggle sometimes to understand what they are saying, but rarely do I question why they are here. They are trying to make it better.
They deserve a chance at it. You had yours.

 

[Sean Stinson]

Rich,

You are the King of negativity.
If I listened to the historical perspectives of people like you I would have a trade, instead of Jewelry Stores. Occasionally a little luck and a positive attitude can and has created success.
It has to start somewhere.
Reading your last post gave me a whole new respect for Gino, Frank, Randy, Sean and a few others. I struggle sometimes to understand what they are saying, but rarely do I question why they are here. They are trying to make it better.
They deserve a chance at it. You had yours.

It's no secret that I at times sound somewhat confused...I think it is from tipping the boat over one too many times!!!!! Steve I have some free time right now if you can give me a call!!!!

 

[ThrottleUp Props]

Rich there is not a conflict of dates for Clearwater.

I have posted every ones schedule in a Forum Events Calender. Tab near top left corner of screen.

Very COOL Jim! Thanks, it will be new go to calander!

Julie

 

[stevequick]

It's no secret that I at times sound somewhat confused...I think it is from tipping the boat over one too many times!!!!! Steve I have some free time right now if you can give me a call!!!!

Done.
Best of luck Sean.
SQ

 

[Sean Stinson]

Done.
Best of luck Sean.
SQ

Thanks Steve I appreciate that!!!!!

 

[TYPHOON]

WOW, You know what, I bet this board gets real quiet by tommarow night. And you know why? Beacause we will all be RACING somewhere. Have a great weekend all, I am out of here. My head hurts reading all this:26:
MD

 

[Pat D]

WOW, You know what, I bet this board gets real quiet by tommarow night. And you know why? Beacause we will all be RACING somewhere. Have a great weekend all, I am out of here. My head hurts reading all this:26:
MD

I knew we could do it..........WE AGREE ON SOMETHING..... Pat D.

 

[SVL66]

My head hurts reading all this:26:
MD

Are You sure its not the booze?

 

[XtremeRacing]

Randy,
Good luck be safe....Bring home the FLAG.

 

[TGC-32]

Granted I haven't raced in a few years, so maybe it isn't my place to comment, but in support of T2x there is a LOT to be learned if people would just listen to what he is saying. I believe his criticisms are directed at ideas that have proved flawed in the past. "Those that don't learn from history are destined to repeat it".

T2x is spot on in that you have to fix the competiton model first before you can confidently expect that you have a product that any one other than the racers themselves will be interested in watching.

I wish nothing but the best for this crazy sport that we all love so passionately, but I've seen this movie more than once, and I know how it ends.....

Tom
Total Marine

 

[Sean Stinson]

Granted I haven't raced in a few years, so maybe it isn't my place to comment, but in support of T2x there is a LOT to be learned if people would just listen to what he is saying. I believe his criticisms are directed at ideas that have proved flawed in the past. "Those that don't learn from history are destined to repeat it".

T2x is spot on in that you have to fix the competiton model first before you can confidently expect that you have a product that any one other than the racers themselves will be interested in watching.

I wish nothing but the best for this crazy sport that we all love so passionately, but I've seen this movie more than once, and I know how it ends.....

Tom
Total Marine

Hey Tom

It's been awhile since the F2 days how are you???? I will say that the very first meeting I had out of all of this was with Rich and Phil they have my utmost respect....With that being said I am on a mission I know where Rich stands and if, just if, I am lucky enough to pull this off, which is a major uphill battle at the moment but I do have evryone's ear at the moment do you think it will or will not better the sport!!!!! If I can get this thing unified even in baby steps then I can start bringing money in from whoever....then cavier will appear, champagne will flow, and velvet robes will part!!!!!! What more to living is there!!!!

 

[Coach]

Granted I haven't raced in a few years, so maybe it isn't my place to comment, but in support of T2x there is a LOT to be learned if people would just listen to what he is saying. I believe his criticisms are directed at ideas that have proved flawed in the past. "Those that don't learn from history are destined to repeat it".

T2x is spot on in that you have to fix the competiton model first before you can confidently expect that you have a product that any one other than the racers themselves will be interested in watching.

I wish nothing but the best for this crazy sport that we all love so passionately, but I've seen this movie more than once, and I know how it ends.....

Tom
Total Marine

Tom,

I agree 100% with you here... Sean is doing a noble thing, who knows where this might lead to.

Coach

 

[TGC-32]

Hey Tom

It's been awhile since the F2 days how are you???? I will say that the very first meeting I had out of all of this was with Rich and Phil they have my utmost respect....With that being said I am on a mission I know where Rich stands and if, just if, I am lucky enough to pull this off, which is a major uphill battle at the moment but I do have evryone's ear at the moment do you think it will or will not better the sport!!!!! If I can get this thing unified even in baby steps then I can start bringing money in from whoever....then cavier will appear, champagne will flow, and velvet robes will part!!!!!! What more to living is there!!!!

Hi Sean, yes it has been a while since the F-2 days! Those first few years of F-2 might provide a bit of guidance to your efforts. I applaud anyone working for unification, because that is the only way this sport can prosper. That being said, my opinion (and I suspect Rich's also) is that you may only get this one shot at unification, at least for the forseeable future. If that is the case, why not repair the competition model FIRST, so that you have a product that is marketable beyond the participants in the sport?

I recall going to watch the OPA race in Pathogue, NY in 2007. I have been racing for twenty years and know most of the boats and the racers, and I had no idea what was going on after the first few laps. If I can't understand what is going on, how is a newcomer going to understand it? You HAVE to reduce classes to get the boat count UP in the remaining classes. That may leave a number of boats on the sidelines, but so be it. Three boats per class isn't going to excite an audience or make for compelling television, IMHO.

That being said, I would be willing to help in any way I could to help out. I love this sport still and hope to some day get back to participating.

Tom

 

[stevequick]

Good questions......

The answers are....

If various groups provide a series of bad ideas that have not worked repeatedly for decades.......someone who knows this has the right (maybe the duty) to point it out. If that person is "eloquent" and the opposition can't counter, maybe the opposition's lack of "eloquence" is, in fact, a lack of substance.

If the opposing point of view to the historical perspective is strong and valid, it will prove its point based on the facts...not on crap like cheerleading and "positive attitude" .....That's the essence of debate. Someone wins and someone loses......... based on content......... not style points.

On the other hand, if every voice is raised in support of flimsy and previously failed efforts, you have the 21st Century version of the Pied Piper of Hamlin leading the children out of town.

I am reading through this thread and seeing grandiose plans defeated because one person feels more competent to be a "spokesman" for the U.S. while another "representative" wants the European teams to adopt turbines. Meanwhile the WPPA is sort of partnered with the UIM, as well as P1, and OSS is scheduling against SBI at Clearwater, while CBS is going to approve "sponsorships" for 12-20 boats at Marathon. Do you guys ever listen to your own hot air??????????? How in the world is anyone with half a brain supposed to take any of this seriously?

You have a silly, fragmented sport..... which has wasted money, talent, and band width for decades, created absurd debates like this one and continues to decline.

Deal with that as your only agenda and maybe....just maybe....... your "critics" will become your allies.....

with "eloquence" of course....

Are you officially answering all of Sean's questions? And if so, were you answering the actual questions or fillabustering.... campaigning? What would you be running for? You were already crowned as King.

 

[stevequick]

the Queen of cockeyed

T2x[/QUOTE]

Please don't call me that in Key West at the Unified World Championships.

 

[Chris]

We have a couple options at this point...

1. Close the thread

2. Delete posts.

3. Time-out for members

or...

4. Bring this thing back to a polite and respectful tone.

There's really no point in having a big blowout on this topic. That's happened too may times over too many years. And it makes the sport look bad. If we can remember to have this debate with measured words and remember to fight the ideas we disagree with and not the person that has those ideas, maybe we can actually be part of the solution.

 

[MarylandMark]

That's happened too may times over too many years. And it makes the sport look bad.

I wasn't sure if you were talking about the pizzing contest these threads turn in to or boat racing overall? Fits both like a glove..

:sifone:

 

[Sean Stinson]

Look I apologize to everyone......I didn't come here to start a war...I passionately and loudly voiced an opinion of what I would like the future to hold for boat racing!!! I respect all of you for your input and ideas...the last thing at this point we need is an all out UFC brawl, although now thinking of it that may not be a bad idea last man standing controls the unified body of offshore!!!! Just kidding!!! I will tell everyone this I look to Rich for alot of advice and insight...don't always listen to it but I value it while trying to form an uneducated opinion of the wacky world we try to play in....I also value each and evryone else opinion doesn't necessarily mean I will go that way.....Steve as well had alot of valuable input concerning a tactful way to cross a bridge.....

All I am saying is that if an all out war is going to ensue it's not going to get us anywhere.....If I had the means to take everyone here that wants to be involved and lock them into a room and say you're here until we have a solution and ONE UNIFIED FRONT I would gladly do it!!!!! But I don't think that we will ever have that oppurtunity so we go along and try different angles of approach and see what happens!!!!!

Hope this makes sense to everyone because I have a hard time following my own thoughts at times!!!!!

 

[Coach]

Bravo!

Sean, stick to this crusade.... All this info out about the time-buy TV production methodology and all that, will keep everyone from being the deer in the headlights thing...

Coach