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fund razor
Founding Member
jayboat
Banned
Nonstop Knobbishness
You've made remarks like that on a regular basis. Sounded like a threat to me the other times, sounds like one now. Seems to feed your need to feel like a big, tough guy. A result of all that training from whappypappy on how to deal with life? Lots of posturing and lots of 'if we ever meet' bullsh!t. Little fantasies in your pointy head. And all the while you say that you aren't doing exactly what you are doing.
Friggin tool.
You've made remarks like that on a regular basis. Sounded like a threat to me the other times, sounds like one now. Seems to feed your need to feel like a big, tough guy. A result of all that training from whappypappy on how to deal with life? Lots of posturing and lots of 'if we ever meet' bullsh!t. Little fantasies in your pointy head. And all the while you say that you aren't doing exactly what you are doing.
Friggin tool.
fund razor
Founding Member
An example of something that you would simply not say to me in real life, Jay.
Is that a threat? To acknowledge that in person you would be sweet as pie, while hiding behind your computer you are free to lash out?
You got the response you were trolling for.
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
Offshoredrillin
New member
reminds of charles grodins quote in the movie Dave, " If I ran my business like this I'd be bankrupt"I would in a heartbeat if I thought there was anyone there who would listen.
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
Tommy Gun
Charter Member
First of all, I write my senators and representative when I feel the need arises. Secondly, I didn't say that IMHO some spending isn't neccessary to deal with this current eceonomy...only that the Dems criticism of Bush appears in large part to be very hypocritical.
LaughingCat
New member
One of the reasons we entered the Great Depression was that too many elected officials didn't know what to do. so they said, let's side with the angry constituents and do nothing, let the 'weak' businesses fail. unfortuantely, there was a cascading effect that brought most businesses down.
I was long a critic of Bernanke. Especially when i didn't realize the levity of this economic situation. Turns out, he is the foremost expert on why we ended up in the Great depression and how to avoid another. So far, he is operating by the book, with one slip-up; allowing Lehman to fail. But that was purely schoolyard politics for Paulson and his old adversary.
Unfortunately, we still have too many politicains that know how to win elections, pander to the most people, but don't know JACK SQUAT about statesmanship and how to runa country, certianly not the economy.
Whether we like it or not, we MUST pour money into the economy. If we can do it while resurecting the manufacturing arm, then we will have a sustainable recovery that can generate profitable tax revenue. In addition, these are loans, not grants or gifts. Theoretically, they will be paid back. that is, unless the recovery fails or some dumbass politician in the future forgives the loans.
Here's the one problem, Hoover thought it best to insert any government assistance during the GReat Depression at the corporate level, assured that the help would trickle down to the people. It didn't. Think of our current problem like a totem pole. The mortgagees are on the bottom, struggling under the weight of all the people in line above them; banks, mortgage holders, FMNA and FHLMC bondholders, etc. so here we are, inserting the bail-out money in the middle of the totem pole. What will eventually happen to the people on the bottom with the added weight of the bail-out of their heads? Oh, by the way, those people on the bottom are the consumers. So if they are left out to dry, who's going to buy our products, the Chinese?
The most sensible solution seemed too much like socialism for any politician to adopt. but it was also the most likely to work. Offer assistance tot eh troubled homeowner. Don't let them off the hook, but insert money so they can defer the impact of the loans. Partial loan forgiveness has the phantom income tax problem that wouldn't fix anything. But helping everyone keep their houses works for everyone. the money flows right up the chain immediately to the banks, etc.
I guess corporate socialism is acceptable, but not public socialism. Regardless, we are in the for the long haul. And for those of you Republicans who have not switched tot eh Independent party yet (or are RINO's that refuse to leave the party) just remember who has been asking for all the bail-outs. . . it's our corporate leaders who adopted our beloved 'let the free markets dictate themselves' matra and turned it into the greatest corporate social money grab in the history of our country.
Now people from any party can argue the tenant differences of the parties, but you cannot deny the disgusting hypocracy of having watched bush constantly talk-up the need for free markets with little or no government intervention, basically BEGGING the government to intervene, basically extorting $3/4 Trillion out of the government like it was a Wild West bank heist and expected no oversight at all. My friends, we are watching future felons in action. Hollywood couldn't write a political-tragedy like this.
Peace. . . and let's drop the OSO-style threats. There is no intellectual argument that can be solved by getting physical; unless it's using the Jedi mind Trick to nail a hooker.
I was long a critic of Bernanke. Especially when i didn't realize the levity of this economic situation. Turns out, he is the foremost expert on why we ended up in the Great depression and how to avoid another. So far, he is operating by the book, with one slip-up; allowing Lehman to fail. But that was purely schoolyard politics for Paulson and his old adversary.
Unfortunately, we still have too many politicains that know how to win elections, pander to the most people, but don't know JACK SQUAT about statesmanship and how to runa country, certianly not the economy.
Whether we like it or not, we MUST pour money into the economy. If we can do it while resurecting the manufacturing arm, then we will have a sustainable recovery that can generate profitable tax revenue. In addition, these are loans, not grants or gifts. Theoretically, they will be paid back. that is, unless the recovery fails or some dumbass politician in the future forgives the loans.
Here's the one problem, Hoover thought it best to insert any government assistance during the GReat Depression at the corporate level, assured that the help would trickle down to the people. It didn't. Think of our current problem like a totem pole. The mortgagees are on the bottom, struggling under the weight of all the people in line above them; banks, mortgage holders, FMNA and FHLMC bondholders, etc. so here we are, inserting the bail-out money in the middle of the totem pole. What will eventually happen to the people on the bottom with the added weight of the bail-out of their heads? Oh, by the way, those people on the bottom are the consumers. So if they are left out to dry, who's going to buy our products, the Chinese?
The most sensible solution seemed too much like socialism for any politician to adopt. but it was also the most likely to work. Offer assistance tot eh troubled homeowner. Don't let them off the hook, but insert money so they can defer the impact of the loans. Partial loan forgiveness has the phantom income tax problem that wouldn't fix anything. But helping everyone keep their houses works for everyone. the money flows right up the chain immediately to the banks, etc.
I guess corporate socialism is acceptable, but not public socialism. Regardless, we are in the for the long haul. And for those of you Republicans who have not switched tot eh Independent party yet (or are RINO's that refuse to leave the party) just remember who has been asking for all the bail-outs. . . it's our corporate leaders who adopted our beloved 'let the free markets dictate themselves' matra and turned it into the greatest corporate social money grab in the history of our country.
Now people from any party can argue the tenant differences of the parties, but you cannot deny the disgusting hypocracy of having watched bush constantly talk-up the need for free markets with little or no government intervention, basically BEGGING the government to intervene, basically extorting $3/4 Trillion out of the government like it was a Wild West bank heist and expected no oversight at all. My friends, we are watching future felons in action. Hollywood couldn't write a political-tragedy like this.
Peace. . . and let's drop the OSO-style threats. There is no intellectual argument that can be solved by getting physical; unless it's using the Jedi mind Trick to nail a hooker.
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
Hell no, that's what started this mess. All they know is politics, no common sense or business experience among any of the key players.
Davidmnc
Contributor
The majority of politicians have never worked in any kind of industry. They have little or no practical experience in running a corporation. So are these politicians really the right people to tell corporate America how they should run there businesses? Do not get me wrong, I am not defending the greedy few who have given America’s CEO’s a bad name, but how can we expect a carrier politician to run corporate America better than corporate executives with years of experience.
jayboat
Banned
Great quote
Obama's poll numbers are up to 79/18 approve/disapprove, prompting CNN's Bill Schneider to quip: "That's the sort of rating you see when the public rallies around a leader after a national disaster. To many Americans, the Bush Administration was a national disaster." :sifone:
Obama's poll numbers are up to 79/18 approve/disapprove, prompting CNN's Bill Schneider to quip: "That's the sort of rating you see when the public rallies around a leader after a national disaster. To many Americans, the Bush Administration was a national disaster." :sifone:
Offshoredrillin
New member
yea that may be, but we will see where the honeymoon is after the first 100 days. for the countrys sake, I hope he does well...I dont put much stock in polls, escpecially from cnn...:sifone:
Davidmnc
Contributor
:iagree:
Another poll taken in Harlem, or Chicago's east side. Good grief.:rofl::rofl::rofl:
phragle
Charter Member
I read and posted something (I think on the other place) a month or two ago, The median income in the US is somewhere around 35K, this means a very large portion of this country is worried about going to work to morrow and getting a pink slip, they are upset they have to go christmas shopping at the dollar store, they are worried about keeping a roof over their head, the heat on and feeding their kids. they have been worried for a long time now, and they see no relief insight.
At this point, if Charles Manson got on national TV, promissed change and relief for the average american and held up enough statistics to mak it look like he had a clue... his poll numbers would be thru the roof.
Untill the average american once again feels safe and secure, can go out and blow $100 bucks on a nite out without worrying about it and knows for a fact that next paycheck is going to be there we will see many "saviours" and many fall guys
At this point, if Charles Manson got on national TV, promissed change and relief for the average american and held up enough statistics to mak it look like he had a clue... his poll numbers would be thru the roof.
Untill the average american once again feels safe and secure, can go out and blow $100 bucks on a nite out without worrying about it and knows for a fact that next paycheck is going to be there we will see many "saviours" and many fall guys
fund razor
Founding Member
Not a bad plan, but make sure to have Tony R. buy Manson the senate seat from the Governer of Illinois first.
