Ok on a good note, I tow a buddie's A-skull(something like that) out most Tue. night during the summer for the Yact Club races, no engine on boat. Tips over once in awhile, 37 ft., 2 years ago, turtled and stuck mast in bottom of Lake Charlevoix, broke some lines getting that thing back over, come to think of it, they never paid for the lines or vent on the PG it broke. But the point is we can get along.